8th September 2012
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#1 | | Gear addict
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Thread Starter  | H3000 Factory Native - what happened?
What happened to the native H3000 plug-in? It seems to have vanished from the Eventide site.
Does anyone know what's going on?
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8th September 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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In anticipation of their (rumored) next native processor plugin???
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8th September 2012
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#3 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by elambo  In anticipation of their (rumored) next native processor plugin??? | I hadn't read anything about that, what is it rumored to be?
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Maybe they're in negotiations with UAD?
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Broken I hadn't read anything about that, what is it rumored to be? | Just speculation of course, but some are expecting a native version of a model more modern than the 3000 (4000, Eclipse, who knows?). It would be nice to see but I'm not holding my breath.
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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I remember seeing someone claiming he owned the rights at least some of the algorithms in the H3000 and he wasn't particularly interested in plugin versions of them. Maybe that's why ?
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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I asked them in april about both delayed Blackhole and H3000 and they replied Blackhole was about to be released (and it was) and that H3000 would follow some time after that. They didn't tell a release date for either of the plugins, but Blackhole was indeed released shortly afterwards.
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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I would be happy if they simply ported each of the 'factor' pedals into plugin format like the Blackhole plugin. Awesome sound, then they should build the software to link via the usb connection to act as a remote for the software - win!
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jupiter8 I remember seeing someone claiming he owned the rights at least some of the algorithms in the H3000 and he wasn't particularly interested in plugin versions of them. Maybe that's why ? | The 3000 has existed as a TDM plugin for many years, it's only recently that they've talked about producing a native version. Maybe the algorithms in question weren't a part of the TDM version but were planned for the native???
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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I'm a big fan of their 2016 Stereo Room & Blackhole plugs!
So as a Native user I was looking forward to this plug!
Don't see any info on Eventide's forum nor are they answering my emails regarding the Native H3000's future! 
Big disappointment!
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9th September 2012
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Izzi Don't see any info on Eventide's forum nor are they answering my emails regarding the Native H3000's future!
Big disappointment! | Hang in there. We'll found out soon enough whether it was was pulled to update the literature, or because of legal issues, or because the product was cancelled. Today, we don't know what's going on.
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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9th September 2012
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by elambo The 3000 has existed as a TDM plugin for many years, it's only recently that they've talked about producing a native version. Maybe the algorithms in question weren't a part of the TDM version but were planned for the native??? | I really don't know. I just remembered that post when i read this thread and figured it might be the case.
It was something along the lines of:
"They're making a native H3000!"
"O RLY ? I own those algorithms and they haven't asked me"
or something to that effect.
EDIT: Found it! Quote:
Originally Posted by KBToys A gentle reminder... you might want to be a little careful throwing out the "ModFactory" name as part of the H3000 Factory promotion... I (as Crescent Engineering, then Wave Mechanics, and ultimately SoundToys) developed the ModFactory add-on (one of the first plug-ins!) for the H3000 (after designing most of the original DSP algos) and eventually licensed it to Eventide for the H3500 et al... but never licensed or approved any of that as it relates to any plug-in development.
Love what you guys have done since we all left the company!
- Ken | It would seem i was at least partially right but not completely. Good to know my mind isn't totally shot though a tad erratic at times.
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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I'd assumed the entire enchilada was property of Eventide, not carried on with Ken @ Soundtoys.
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by elambo I'd assumed the entire enchilada was property of Eventide, not carried on with Ken @ Soundtoys. | It is easy to get the impression he owns all the algorithms if don't read it carefully (i know because i did the first time) but the way i see it now is that the algorithms he developed for Eventide are obviously the property of Eventide but the ModFactory is his. (Does that even make sense ? God i'm hungover).
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jupiter8 It is easy to get the impression he owns all the algorithms if don't read it carefully (i know because i did the first time) but the way i see it now is that the algorithms he developed for Eventide are obviously the property of Eventide but the ModFactory is his. (Does that even make sense ? God i'm hungover). | Haha! Not really, but I think I know what you mean. ModFactory wasn't part of the original package and might have its own rules for licensing.
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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I wish Ken & SoundToys would come out with something like this in the Native format. I have been waiting for it to become a reality for years!
Crystallizer & SoundBlender are fantastic! Which as you all know stem from the H3000 & H4000 family.
Unfortunately, SoundBlender is TDM only.
But if the "Mod Factory" thing is the issue, shouldn't this have been gone over in the conceptual stage of the product?
Sorry for going off topic...
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Izzi Sorry for going off topic... | That's very much on topic.
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by elambo That's very much on topic. |  | |
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by beechstudio Maybe they're in negotiations with UAD? | + 1 | |
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Izzi I wish Ken & SoundToys would come out with something like this in the Native format. I have been waiting for it to become a reality for years!
Crystallizer & SoundBlender are fantastic! Which as you all know stem from the H3000 & H4000 family.
Unfortunately, SoundBlender is TDM only. | Oh man that would be spectacular!! | |
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21st September 2012
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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I just note in ilok eventide just rename the "Factory" license to "H3000 Factory Protools HD" license.
i can show screenshoot if necessary!
I leave the opportunity to think further...
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8th October 2012
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#23 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by recallbeats I just note in ilok eventide just rename the "Factory" license to "H3000 Factory Protools HD" license. | So you're confident native will follow sooner or later?
I have really given up hope on this. :/
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22nd October 2012
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#24 | | Lives for gear
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Look around guys. I think its available. i just got an email from one of my plug in sources with a deal.
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22nd October 2012
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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I don't know how "on topic" it is to talk about H3000 "impulse response" files for my convolution reverb-Perfect Space[32 bit only unfortunately],but another forum member pointed me to a site,who had "extensive" IR's of Eventide H3000 files,and I use them constantly.
Unfortunately[again!] can't remember the site,but I went back soon after,and they no longer had the files at all anymore,but they were Free/Donation .wavs,and very good...maybe something similar could suffice?
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22nd October 2012
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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22nd October 2012
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#27 | | Lives for gear
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sorry to pollute this thread with my question but does anybody know if black hole gonna be ported to x64?
Incredible they can't say a single word about it....somewhere.
Eventide seems abolutely  about it.....
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23rd October 2012
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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Although the H3000 Factory is an awesome plugin, you will be disappointed if looking for the legendary "Crystal Echoes" or String Simulation patches as they ain't there.
This is a complete port of the old TDM only version, and is an awful lot of fun.
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23rd October 2012
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#29 | | Gear maniac
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H3000 native to buy and demo with Ilok 2 is now on eventides site but the traffic it's attracting means it's a mad struggle to get the page to load. it does not cover everything the hardware H3000 does which is a shame. Maybe thats because the Soundtoys devs programed some of the H3000 then ran off to start their own plugs. It's $199 or £124 in english.
The eventide forum admin said they are working on a 64bit version of Blackhole I think H3000 native is 32bit and 64bit but that just going off what someone else said in another forum.
Youtube demo by eventide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVv_82dO4M | |
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23rd October 2012
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#30 | | Lives for gear
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I don't know if Eventide's slow website means that much extra traffic. I've found Eventide's website to be the slowest always. It's probably the only site these days that has a huge lag every time I go there.
What is it that makes this thing unique btw, I love my Eventide plugins so far, but I haven't been able to get excited about this. Seeing the price puzzles me a bit, how is this "more valuable" than say 2016 Stereo Room or Blackhole? This lists at $349, when their other plugins are $199 and $149.
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