Installing Logic after Final Cut

[valis]

There's nothing in my experience that suggests you need to worry about those being updated, but I've only dealt with the current Logic related apps alongside FCS3/FC7 & FCX, not FC5. Note that you're not specifying which version of OSX you're running FC5 on....

The Pro Apps issue is different and is probably in reference to ProKit and possibly certain basic hardware requirements like QE(QuartzExtreme)/CI(CoreImage) support on your gpu for the GUI drawing accelleration (and things like waveform previews). Anyway ProKit is what I'd concern myself with, this is an OS bundle that supplies API calls, audio video codecs & much of the underpinnings for Apple's Pro Apps (obviously). So the OS may only update you to the latest version 'known good' for your version of Final Cut, and having newer apps installed may cause issues.

Ie, certain bugs that you got used to may have been fixed, but new ones may be present--especially with an older Final Cut like yours. Or encoding presets may be affected (presets in the apps replaced may even disappear btw). If your current version of ProKit is already the latest version for your OS and Logic is happy with this version too, then you'll be fine. Otherwise you may have to trade one set of bugs for another.

You can find the ProKit version by opening the System Profiler (in Applications/Utilities) and going to the bottom under Software > Frameworks and scroll down to ProKit on the right. You'll see the version next to that or in the pane below if you select it. I'll have to leave it up to you to see if it's current and if not if FC5 will be happy with a newer version.

[user41332]

Thanks for the info. I updated to ProKit 7.0.1 last year when it was offered (even to users of a 5-6 year old version of FCS! that's some strong product support!). Old FCP 5 has run fine the few times I've used it since then. Being on OS X 10.6 it looks like this is still the current version for me, and will also work with Logic.

So when I install Logic Studio I'll be OK to go back and delete my version of Apple Loops Utility 1.4 (Logic includes version 3.0), delete my Compressor 2.0 (I think Logic has 4.0), etc? I would just give it a go but I'm still waiting on it in the mail; a friend got it for me for $95 from Premier Pianos in Cincinnati, as they're liquidating all their stock but they're only opening to do it on weekends...so any of you Cinci people get over there and plunder!

[user41332]

Notes for future generations:

Got the goods today, install went super smooth. Those 6 duplicate components were not greyed out as I had thought they might be. It allowed me to install the newer versions of Compressor, Qmaster, Qadministrator, Batch Monitor, Apple Loops Utility, and Soundtrack Pro right alongside installations of the existing older versions, they just appear in separate /Applications folders (old ones in Final Cut Studio folder, new ones in Logic Studio folder) and can all launch perfectly happily alongside one another, even at the same time!

They also seem to share .plist files, as there is only one in ~/Library/Preferences for each of those programs, and trashing the .plist and opening either version of the program will create what appears to be an identical new one (for Apple Loops Utility it's actually labeled com.apple.soundtrackloopsutility.plist FYI).

The only other commonality I'm not sure about is the Apple Qmaster Preference Pane in System Preferences. I accidentally did a 'Remove Preference Pane' after the install thinking it related to the old version of Qmaster and that launching the new version would recreate it...it did not, and the removed Qmaster.prefpane file seems to have skipped the Trash bin and was permanently deleted, so now I'm out a preference pane. No biggie, not worth a reinstall, I'll try to copy the .prefpane file from a colleague's install. It seems to generically link preferences to the main executable package so I doubt there's anything unique to a particular installation that makes it non-portable. But to anyone installing a 'Studio' version Pro App with an existing one on-board, you might want to trash the old Qmaster.prefpane first so that /Library/PreferencePanes will inherit one from the new installation. That's about the only potential conflict I came across. Now I feel safe to delete the more outdated iterations of those 6 applications and use the Logic Studio-bundled versions exclusively even if it's for a Final Cut project. Apple could've been a bit more clear on the duplication of components between Final Cut and Logic Studio installs, but doing it naively seems to have worked out just fine. Without paying closer attention you might find yourself using the older versions of Compressor, Soundtrack, etc. from the first installed Studio package when you have newer ones available, but that's not a bad worst-case scenario.


The sloppy part: Apple Loops Library

So despite mention of the Application component going smoothly, it does look like there's some duplication of additional content, a discussion I wanted to separate from the aforementioned. It's not that I use or care that much about Apple Loops (use Ableton Live for clip-based composition, got Logic just to use its ES M synth for generating samples - and because it was so cheap), but I'm anal about having things set up correctly in case I ever do want to use them.

The thing with the Apple Loops is that the existing install of Final Cut Studio included a directory of Apple Loops to accompany Soundtrack Pro 1. They came in .aiff format and are dated from 2005. The new installation of Logic Studio also includes the same directory of Apple Loops for the accompanying Soundtrack Pro 3, this time in .caf files, dated 2009. The two directories of files are generally the same but not completely so. The ST 1 (.aiff) has more in some categories whereas the ST 3 (.caf) versions have more in others. Therefore I'll be maintaining both sets even after uninstalling the ST 1 application.

Add these two to the convoluted series of Apple Loops directories that have come in from everywhere, at: /Library/Audio/Apple Loops and /Library/Application Support/GarageBand and /Library/Application Support/Logic and, at least my collection looks like this:

- Loops for Soundtrack Pro 1 (with FCS 5, 2005, .aiff files, ~7GB)
- Loops for Soundtrack Pro 3 (with LS 9, 2008, .caf files, ~22GB)
- Loops for GarageBand 5 (with iLife '09, 2009, .caf files, ~250MB)
- iLife Sound Effects (with iLife '09, 2009, .caf files, ~280MB)
- Loops from 6 Jam Packs (with LS 9, 5x2007, 1x2009('Voices'),~6.5GB )

I'm just going to keep all of these in a directory in case I ever need content from Apple Loops. Looks like my Saturday night is going to be spent rebuilding Apple Loops Index files to make sure the old .aiff loops still play nice with the newer version of Loops Utility, ST 3, and Logic 9 since the native format is now the .caf versions.

Anyway, Apple Loops duplication aside (which is only a matter of storage space, for a dozen GB it's minor to most people) the install of an Apple ProApp Studio product while an existing ProApp Studio product is already installed with prior versions of common components seems to have worked out very smoothly for me. Hope that info helps some future searcher. Thanks.

[valis]

I feel you on the Apple Loops, having moved from FCStudio3/FC7 to FCX while having Logic 9 installed made for a heck of a time cleaning up duplicates. Now with FCX installed alongside Logic 9 on this machine, Logic at some point decided to automatically download the app-store related content and I've got 'missing' Loops that I can search in finder and see but rebuilding the index still winds up with them 'missing'...haven't spent time to fix that yet but it has bugged me once or twice. I would have fixed it by now but I have the full boxed Logic 9 content installed...