Mixerless Studio Setup - how to insert API 2500

[mista min]

Xlr out to the API and then back in via the 800 and in your daw you have to bus everything to a one bus you can call the "2-bus" and have that go out to your outputs that go to the API and then a single stereo input track that is has input monitoring on with your inputs being the ones your API is going back to.., and then this track to your master bus for monitoring. Hope this helps.

[jamest748]

Ok, I'll give that a go, thanks. I think I know what you mean!

So I'll need the Rosetta 200 for the output xlr to API and the 800 for the return back in?

[Doc Mixwell]

I would keep it simple and use the Rosetta 200 for I/O, and if your DAW supports the use of Hardware Inserts [using an insert Plug in, that sends the signal to the converters and takes it back in before the fader] you can simply attach it that way and mix along, happy as a clam.

[jamest748]

Cheers mate, so I've got it set up like that and it sounds like it's just something I can do within Sonar.

[mista min]

Originally Posted by Doc Mixwell

I would keep it simple and use the Rosetta 200 for I/O, and if your DAW supports the use of Hardware Inserts [using an insert Plug in, that sends the signal to the converters and takes it back in before the fader] you can simply attach it that way and mix along, happy as a clam.

Totally forgot this... This way is much better! I know logic and pro tools can do it.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by mista min

Totally forgot this... This way is much better! I know logic and pro tools can do it.

You could use any I/O you want, really. And taking all your tracks out from a stem into the compressor, then back to a new track can work too. Just need to monitor the post-2-shoot someway. This is where the insert path works better.

Another thing to mention is that the Rosetta 200 has some more options, compared to the R-800, with regard to Input and Output Reference Calibration, it could be useful to set how hard or soft you hit the 2500 going out/and back in. Could also be useful for the monitor path.

Depends. I would probably keep the R200 for the insert,

[jamest748]

Yep, tried all of these ideas for about 2 hours tonight and still haven't managed to sort it out!

The concept itself is quite simple but all the little things are a bit mind boggling for me...

I THINK I've got the wiring correct but it's the settings within sonar (I've also posted this on the sonar forum) and my soundcard that I'm confused with.

Anyway, will keep trying.

[bradley871]

Try this maybe,

Set the send in sonar (a track or bus) to a dac and hook that dac to the input on the api,

then plug the api output into a adc and create a track in sonar with that adc as its input and your monitors as its output,

Then press the little speaker/wave shaped button on that track, that is input monitoring....

Might be a better way but this should at least help you get your head around it.

Turn down your speakers first just to be safe.

Press play to hear it working arm the track and press record to print it.

fyi just found this.. might be useful http://youtu.be/Zq2ixytfRVA

Gearslutz App

[jamest748]

Ah, that is very useful, thank you! I will now try this when I get home...

[kreeper_6]

SONAR used to have a Hardware Insert plugin to do this. It was in the last version I used (v8), not sure about X1 though. The plugin route is IMO is the only way you wanna do this as it has the ability to compensate for latency therefore allowing true insert function with the ability to put the API anywhere in you fx chain.

If not I highly recommend Studio One and its pipeline plugin.

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[jamest748]

Yes, when you think about it, it's quite simple but the problem I've narrowed it down to is my Rme 9652 soundcard!

Because both my apogee converters are connected via Adat, whichever input/output I chose it just takes the main one (the 800 in this case). There's no way of outputting to the other apogee which the API is connected to!

But thanks for all the help, I've certainly learnt a lot this week...

[jamest748]

I'm thinking if I try connecting my other apogee with the FireWire card then it will be a seperate option within sonar?

[mista min]

Write RME tech support about how to get the card to work. They will help you out.

[kreeper_6]

Originally Posted by jamest748

I'm thinking if I try connecting my other apogee with the FireWire card then it will be a seperate option within sonar?

PC cannot use multiple Soundcards simultaneously so this may not work. You should be able set this up easily if I'm understanding the RMEs capabilities. Just pick your output, then your input. SONAR pairs your inputs/outputs so make sure you have the "Show Mono" option checked, and once you pick a pair as an input you won't be able to pick it again while its in use.

Here is a video I did showcasing how easy this should be.

External Insert

[jamest748]

Cheers guys, will give that a watch.

[jamest748]

That's cool but whatever output I select it ONLY goes through the Rosetta 800 (which is my mic input/monitor output converter) not my API converter.

I don't think I can have 2 seperate apogees with my rme soundcard.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by jamest748

That's cool but whatever output I select it ONLY goes through the Rosetta 800 (which is my mic input/monitor output converter) not my API converter.

I don't think I can have 2 seperate apogees with my rme soundcard.

What RME card are you using?

Maybe for now, until you figure how to add the Rosetta 200, in addition, just use two channels of the 800, for Send/Return Loop with the API unit.

You'll probably be doing this in mix down anyway, so you can just patch it, back and forth between tracking and mixing duties.

[jamest748]

Cool...It's a 9652 hammerfall.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by jamest748

Cool...It's a 9652 hammerfall.

Have you tried the SPDIF I/O on the card?

[jamest748]

Not yet but worth a try!

[jamest748]

DONE IT!!!

Thanks to your video and all the advice...it's all quite simple when you think about it!

I connected the API into input/outputs 7 and 8 on my Rosetta 800 then selected ADAT 7 Stereo as the external send/return and voila...API 2500 creaminess coming through my speakers...

You guys are awesome. If you're ever in London I'll buy you a beer.

[mista min]

Happy to hear that