11th August 2012
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#1 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
Thread Starter | Retina MBP internal audio KILLER low latency
hello gang, i just received my rMBP, Logic is reporting at 44.1khz "internal does 96khz now!"
2.9 ms for 32 sampels, "no clicks!"
4.4ms for 64
7.3ms for 128
and for the adventures....1.7ms @96khz...32samples
My speakers are being shipped, so I can not evaluate the internal audio quality... "ANYONE CARES to chime?
The latency numbers are so impressive for electronic music production, i am not sure if i need a portable interface to compose here "NOT MIX/RECORD" ....those latency numbers make my apogee duet 2 look bad!
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11th August 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2009 Location: California
Posts: 1,176
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have you tried any heavy sessions on it. if it works with what you do I say save the money. Others may argue about how buying an interface may give you better A/D D/A conversion. I think that you may end up needing an interface when you start to push the session.
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11th August 2012
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#3 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
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so far i have tested some apple demos all happy, my big hard drive is in the shipping... last month i got a pair of baby genelecs 6010A, they are small but lethal, i can't wait to test them with the macbook out, to see if this works, trying to keep it as minimal as possible!
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11th August 2012
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#4 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 414
| 128 tracks in protools Quote:
Originally Posted by projektk have you tried any heavy sessions on it. if it works with what you do I say save the money. Others may argue about how buying an interface may give you better A/D D/A conversion. I think that you may end up needing an interface when you start to push the session.
Sent from my LG-P925 using Gearslutz App | with SSL strip and api 2500 on each channel the hardrive did great maybe 2% at the max, cpu was about 18% i think
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11th August 2012
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#5 | | Gear addict
Joined: Dec 2011 Location: Underneath Your Mom
Posts: 354
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Hmmmmm soooo tempted right now. Except I think I'd go for the low res screen version of this thing and do some upgrades like an aftermarket SSD and RAM.
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11th August 2012
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#6 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2012 Location: Canada
Posts: 19
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Originally Posted by Bashar hello gang, i just received my rMBP, Logic is reporting at 44.1khz "internal does 96khz now!"
2.9 ms for 32 sampels, "no clicks!"
4.4ms for 64
7.3ms for 128
and for the adventures....1.7ms @96khz...32samples
My speakers are being shipped, so I can not evaluate the internal audio quality... "ANYONE CARES to chime?
The latency numbers are so impressive for electronic music production, i am not sure if i need a portable interface to compose here "NOT MIX/RECORD" ....those latency numbers make my apogee duet 2 look bad! | what rMBP is this? cpu, RAM, SSD size, etc?
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11th August 2012
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#7 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
Thread Starter |
It's a 2.6ghz, 16 gb ram,512SSD , same config with 256 gb is available now for less. I considered the regular pro, but seriously , do your eyes a favor and get the retina, I had a 17" pro before this, the retina screen means less eye strain , more productive time and better music at the end....
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11th August 2012
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#8 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 187
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2011 macbook pro 13" here, and exactly the same results
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11th August 2012
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#9 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
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WOW! impressive! question, is Logic usable at 32-64 samples? its time for someone to make a simple thunderbolt interface, these numbers are not attainable with USB and firewire!
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11th August 2012
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#10 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 187
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i work at 64 all the time, in 48khz
32 is not safe
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11th August 2012
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#11 | | Lives for DAWs
Joined: Apr 2010 Location: Germany, Worldwide
Posts: 2,067
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Are those ms values with or without AD/DA conversion?
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12th August 2012
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#12 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by DAW PLUS Are those ms values with or without AD/DA conversion? | I believe so, it's the round trip calculation
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12th August 2012
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#13 | | Gear interested
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 22
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I noticed this too! With Ableton the overall latency is 7.8ms with no external interface, just a splitter cable to my monitors.
The same project on my 2010 iMac with no interface was over 15ms. Don't know why but I love it! Also that same project on a 2011 MacBook pro couldn't even play without CPU going up to 100%. On the new rmbp the CPU stays under 50%. That's madness!
The only thing I don't understand is after a few minutes the fans start sounding like a small jet (with my ableton project open). Not as loud as my previous MBP or iMac but still pretty noticeable. After closing Ableton the fans go back to silent.
Any idea why? Guess its worth the performance boost though.
At this point I don't see any need for an external interface. Until they start coming out with thunderbolt interfaces with even lower latency (hopefully).
Really enjoying a minimalist setup. Just rMBP hooked up to monitors/headphones and away we go! That's probably frowned upon on GEARslutz but being as I'm entirely ITB I could really care less.
Less is much much more.
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14th August 2012
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#14 | | Gear addict
Joined: Dec 2011 Location: Underneath Your Mom
Posts: 354
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Originally Posted by Bashar It's a 2.6ghz, 16 gb ram,512SSD , same config with 256 gb is available now for less. I considered the regular pro, but seriously , do your eyes a favor and get the retina, I had a 17" pro before this, the retina screen means less eye strain , more productive time and better music at the end.... | Nice and all but not all of us have $3,500 lying around for this particular machine. Aside from the screen, doing some inexpensive upgrades to the base 15" MBP would probably yield near identical results...for $1,500+/- less. Sweet as it is, I don't think that screen is worth $1,500 because that's basically what it boils down to.
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14th August 2012
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#15 | | Gear Head
Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Canada
Posts: 51
Thread Starter |
Actually you can get a better or similar setup with 256gb for 2400 if you pay edu or through costume store, JOIN THE AES 40$ a year.... I paid a extra for a 500gb because I do not have the time and the energy to upgrade, my setup was around 2800.... Retina makes a big difference if you are working with a 15" screen....beauty aside its a better tool for working...
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