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Old 10th August 2012   #1
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Waves NLS.. No crosstalk?

So one of the key factors of analog summing is, of course, crosstalk. Waves NLS does not emulate this part of analog summing. I finally bought an iLok2 to demo out Slate VTM and VCC. I know VCC emulates analog crosstalk so I listened closely to what it was doing. (hard pan a track left, send the mix bus to two mono aux tracks, mute the left track, listen to the right track aka crosstalk. Put a trim plugin on the right channel to bring up the volume.) While every console had a different sounding crosstalk, the results were similar. A lot of the high frequencies were cut out, there was a huge layer of emulated noise over it. I decided to try creating a DIY crosstalk to compliment the Mike console on NLS. Here is what I did!

I created two aux mono tracks. I used the VEQ4 because it already has a very warm, colored tone (esp for cutting). I set the lo-pass at 3.9khz. and I cut out a ton of highs at the 3.3khz shelf. I EQed each track slightly different from each other.

Next I put URS saturation on british tranny. Saturation at 100%. Blend at 50%.

Almost done...

I then put the Pro Tools "slap delay" plugin on the right channel with a delay of 0.05ms to make the tracks slightly wider.

Lastly I put the pro tools trim plugin on and adjusted about -30 to -40db because that's how the VCC was reacting. I put a send on every track in the mix to these "crosstalk tracks." It sounded soooooooo much better. Almost like VCC!

This is in no way saying that what VCC does is "simple" or can be recreated with existing plugins. I have no idea what they did for their crosstalk emulation, but this worked for NLS!

I'll post samples once I finish a mix so you all can listen.

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I also monitored the stereo image with the PAZ analyzer to see how VCC was affecting the stereo image of a mono track and tried to match it with my DIY crosstalk. I recommend somebody tries this to hear what I'm hearing.
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So one of the key factors of analog summing is, of course, crosstalk. Waves NLS does not emulate this part of analog summing. I finally bought an iLok2 to demo out Slate VTM and VCC. I know VCC emulates analog crosstalk so I listened closely to what it was doing. (hard pan a track left, send the mix bus to two mono aux tracks, mute the left track, listen to the right track aka crosstalk. Put a trim plugin on the right channel to bring up the volume.) While every console had a different sounding crosstalk, the results were similar. A lot of the high frequencies were cut out, there was a huge layer of emulated noise over it. I decided to try creating a DIY crosstalk to compliment the Mike console on NLS. Here is what I did!

I created two aux mono tracks. I used the VEQ4 because it already has a very warm, colored tone (esp for cutting). I set the lo-pass at 3.9khz. and I cut out a ton of highs at the 3.3khz shelf. I EQed each track slightly different from each other.

Next I put URS saturation on british tranny. Saturation at 100%. Blend at 50%.

Almost done...

I then put the Pro Tools "slap delay" plugin on the right channel with a delay of 0.05ms to make the tracks slightly wider.

Lastly I put the pro tools trim plugin on and adjusted about -30 to -40db because that's how the VCC was reacting. I put a send on every track in the mix to these "crosstalk tracks." It sounded soooooooo much better. Almost like VCC!

This is in no way saying that what VCC does is "simple" or can be recreated with existing plugins. I have no idea what they did for their crosstalk emulation, but this worked for NLS!

I'll post samples once I finish a mix so you all can listen.

- Spencer
Great idea, thanks for posting...
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Great idea, thanks for posting...
Not a problem! Glad to try helping us struggling ITB guys get analog sounds.
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Crosstalk, in my opinion, is not one of the favorable attributes of analog recording. I am glad it's gone, and don't wish to strive for it.
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Crosstalk, in my opinion, is not one of the favorable attributes of analog recording. I am glad it's gone, and don't wish to strive for it.
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Not a problem! Glad to try helping us struggling ITB guys get analog sounds.
I actually experimented with your idea yesterday, sending the aux channels L+R through my analogue chain (tube amp-purple eqs-mc77) plus adding some more space with waves ir-l and adding duy tape...really great results. This might solve a number of issues here...)
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I actually experimented with your idea yesterday, sending the aux channels L+R through my analogue chain (tube amp-purple eqs-mc77) plus adding some more space with waves ir-l and adding duy tape...really great results. This might solve a number of issues here...)
Yeah I find experimenting with this helps get rid of the "center" feel and make things more 3D.
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