7th August 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Ableton's automation SUCKS
Sorry this will offend some, but I had to voice it.
Using controllers or not, ableton's automation is frustrating, angering, GARBAGE.
You don't have to read this, but I have to vent it anyway.
Section of music is repeating, you record knob movements, and when the section goes to its beginning to loop..your automations erase themselves.
Yes, you can punch in and out your autos recording..but the loop will repeat and it'll be erased anyway.
If there is automation in the arrangement, and you set up a section to repeat, the autos will affect your new performance.
Did you record PitchBend or Modulation? Because no matter what you do, all of the parts following those recordings will be bent and modulated.
If you draw envelopes into a clip, and then delete the clip...the knobs will still act as though the Clip is still there. (the knob itself might be turned up halfway, but will be highlighted and set to a different value).
Automation can't be recorded into Clips. It can be drawn though, as PERCENTAGES. So if Clip1 wants Reverb, you have to turn the Send ALL the way up in the mixer, then go into ALL the other clips on that track and set their envelopes to 0%. W_H_A_T__THE_F_*_*_*_*_*_*
0-127. see reality? It's beautiful right?
In reality, a knob at 24, is at 24.
When a knob is at 1/16...the knob is at 1/16...
In Ableton Live, a knob at 24 is 80% of something else (in the Clips view)
and a knob at 1/16 is..."+5 Semitones" <- ?
Then all this shit: "Live is the future..."
please. It's not. Very simple. It's actually shit. Ableton Live is shit.
I bought it, I set up an awesome template, built some TouchOSC stuff,
and it's the worst piece of software I've ever paid for.
Please test your software BEFORE testing your bong.
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i love vent threads.
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unless i'm missing something, i think a lot of daws work like that fwiw
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Originally Posted by phlange  I bought it [...] Please test your software BEFORE testing your bong. | Sorry to hear that - but why didn't you test it yourself, first? They've got a 30-day trial version where you can actually save projects.
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#6 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by phlange ... W_h_a_t__the_f_*_*_*_*_*_* ... | What the fairies?
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#7 | | Gear maniac
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Sorry to hear that you are upset.
For me the automation works as expected and in most cases better than
in Cubase (I'm using both for diffent stuff).
Check out section 19.5 in the manual about unlinking automation.
It is also pretty easy to mult a track and try something different.
Or just bounce it and make a new clip.
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#8 | | Banned
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Nothing makes my morning more than a noob who flames something he doesn't know how to use properly..
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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I hear you, Ableton does a lot of crap I don't like also. I also think my Access Virus' Total Integration is complete crap as it doesn't render it's VST's sound unless you embed it as audio. But it doesn't stop me from making some kick ass music on my own terms. It's the limitations that force us to be creative when it comes to making electronic music IMO. It amazes me what software can do today, technology we didn't even have ten years ago. Ableton is a lot like Photoshop in that there is more than one way of accomplishing tasks.
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there is nothing daw software can do today it wasnt able to do 10 years ago.. the development is remarkable small. Thats mainly because too many people just started the electronic music game 10 years ago and the industry could live well with cooking it slowly to extend the live cycles of theire underdeveloped products. Hopefully they cant hold that state much longer.
and for abletron..a finsihed midi implemantation wouldnz hurt in Live 9... after 7 years of development a midi that can match with the 1989 standard would be great.. and total settings recall like Ritchie Hawtin ordered as a max for live template as part of the program.. the digital mixing desk standard of 1989.. would be nice too.
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by audioconsult there is nothing daw software can do today it wasnt able to do 10 years ago.. the development is remarkable small. Thats mainly because too many people just started the electronic music game 10 years ago and the industry could live well with cooking it slowly to extend the live cycles of theire underdeveloped products. Hopefully they cant hold that state much longer.
and for abletron..a finsihed midi implemantation wouldnz hurt in Live 9... after 7 years of development a midi that can match with the 1989 standard would be great.. and total settings recall like Ritchie Hawtin ordered as a max for live template as part of the program.. the digital mixing desk standard of 1989.. would be nice too. | In reality, what more can developers add?
There is reaper where oyu can customize workflow and there is Max for live where you can customize effects, sequencers, etc.
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#12 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2007 Location: Texas by way of Pluto | Quote:
Originally Posted by audioconsult there is nothing daw software can do today it wasnt able to do 10 years ago.. the development is remarkable small. Thats mainly because too many people just started the electronic music game 10 years ago and the industry could live well with cooking it slowly to extend the live cycles of theire underdeveloped products. Hopefully they cant hold that state much longer. | ?!?!! I don't recall being able to run 20 softsynths/samplers with multiple tracks of audio, multiple effects and automation in my DAW 10 years ago. There have been plenty of leaps and bounds in DAW technology development in the last 10 years.
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Please don't get him started
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8th August 2012
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by aunshui |
Ableton Live doesn't have Overwrite / Latch / Touch for automation.
If you mean "Overdub" it's for recording only.
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8th August 2012
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Originally Posted by crufty unless i'm missing something, i think a lot of daws work like that fwiw | Then you are missing something man. NONE of these are automation-********:
Cubase has touch/latch/overwrite
Logic (best automation out there)
Fruity Loops - haven't tried it but I'm sure it's not bass-ackwards.
Reason - actually awesome.
Live - press global record, move your knobs as desired, and when the loop repeats, watch as everything you just laid down disappears lol.
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#16 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by MoteOfVoid Sorry to hear that you are upset.
For me the automation works ... in most cases better than
in Cubase (I'm using both for diffent stuff). | sorry but not, man. Quote:
Originally Posted by MoteOfVoid Check out section 19.5 in the manual about unlinking automation.
It is also pretty easy to mult a track and try something different.
Or just bounce it and make a new clip. | Unlinking has nothing to do with it 
Unlinking is in Clips. Clips automation must be DRAWN in manually. And even then it is "relative values and percentages"
You can mult a track as many times as you want and try new takes of course, and every take will have the same problem.
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Originally Posted by crufty unless i'm missing something, i think a lot of daws work like that fwiw | NONE of the other DAW's I work with have this problem.
Cubase, ProTools, Logic, Fruity Loops, Reason.
All of them do what is expected (you record it, they don't erase it  | |
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There has to be something you're missing... ? Don't use Live, but you'd think a DAW catered to electronic musicians would have a decent automation implementation. It's easy as shit in Reaper, and they also do the percentage thing.
Maybe you need a DAW change
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by phlange Ableton Live doesn't have Overwrite / Latch / Touch for automation.
If you mean "Overdub" it's for recording only. | Then you must be doing something differently than me, I can write/record/draw/edit automation to my heart's content, in clips and in the arrangement, no problem whatsoever.
Maybe look through the options?  Quote:
Originally Posted by kcearl Ableton roolz | ITZ SPELLD r00lz n00b  | |
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Thread Starter |
ahh. felt good to rant.
I do use Live, and even after I bich like that, it's a good tool.
But please fix this shit. It is a real pain in the ass and there's no workaround for it.
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just to add some negativity i hate live and it's so ugly
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aaah good.
time for some coffee
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after you stop the recording, each push of the UNDO button undoes the last "iteration" of overwriting, starting with the very last "partial" iteration. so what you typically do is record as many takes as you want, then use UNDO/REDO to walk through them, and stop when you get to the take you want. it's quite fast once you get used to it.
-synthoid
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Originally Posted by mike vee just to add some negativity i hate live and it's so ugly |  | |
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by mike vee just to add some negativity i hate live and it's so ugly | Yes. And I hate you and everybody here who reads this.
And I just vomitted on a baby.
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#30 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by synthoid after you stop the recording, each push of the UNDO button undoes the last "iteration" of overwriting, starting with the very last "partial" iteration. so what you typically do is record as many takes as you want, then use UNDO/REDO to walk through them, and stop when you get to the take you want. it's quite fast once you get used to it.
-synthoid | That actually makes it a little better.
Wherever the knob is, that's where the envelopes could say it is.
it's just intuitive that way.
the knob's at 20 now...I'm gonna tweak it upwards...wait...I can't...
because the envelope says "100%"
seeeeeee ?
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