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Old 7th August 2012   #1
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Reason 6 or Cubase 6?

Both are about the same price, so I'm considering purchasing one of them. I have watched plenty of videos demoing each of these program's features and workflow. I have no problem with either one so my final decision will be based on the instruments that are included in each.

Whenever I use a daw I only like to use the included instruments and effects, so as to keep each daw I use unique and with a different sound. I have a slight ADD problem where I have to keep switching daws every once in a while, and I currently rotate between Logic Pro 9 with its included instruments and effects, and Reaper 4 with Komplete 8. Adding another daw to my arsenal would help with ADD.

Now I know that Reason 6 isn't exactly a daw, but having watched many videos of it I have found its workflow quite simple, as well as the workflow in Cubase 6.

So the question is, which of the two programs do you think has the best integrated/included instruments/effects, which is ultimately what I'll use to determine which one I purchase.

I would appreciate any suggestions.
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I would recommend you start with Cubase 6

Which is a real DAW, with great midi/audio/VST instruments, ...etc., VST3, ...etc.

You can add Reason 6 later on, and use it as a standalone app., or Rewire it to Cubase 6.

That way, you get the best of both worlds !


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Reason 6

Hey there,

If you plan to use the built in instruments, i'd say go with reason 6. It's ridiculously stable, and some of the instrument/effects additions since reason 4 (post-reason 4) are phenomenal (KONG!). I understand reason has had a reputation of not being considered a real DAW, but the latest iteration is packed with power, and I actually just switched to it myself from Logic 9, (got tired of the crashes and too many VSTs......) for a change. Didn't think i'd enjoy using it this much.

Bias aside, it'll also really depend on what kind of music you're planning on making?

I used to use cubase when it was at version 5, and it was nice, no complaints, but in all honestly, it's been a pleasure using Reason 6 after spending some time learning. Propellerhead have been pretty active in the last couple of years, and updates (with a tonne of content/instruments) have been frequent.
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Reason 6 better bang for your buck imo.
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If you're mainly going to be recording real instruments or external hardware (synths, sound modules, etc.) then getting Cubase 6 is probably the way to go.

However, if you're wanting to do stuff in the box with virtual instruments, etc. or you are just wanting to test the water and see if you like it, then getting Reason 6 probably makes more sense.

In either case, if you take to it and decide that you want to have your cake and eat it, you can always add the other one later and run both together using Rewire. That way, you effectively have access to all the Reason instruments and sound banks while in Cubase.
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Both are about the same price, so I'm considering purchasing one of them. I have watched plenty of videos demoing each of these program's features and workflow. I have no problem with either one so my final decision will be based on the instruments that are included in each.
You want to decide on a DAW based only on what it comes with? Your question makes no sense to me at all. Workflow is different and so are the limitations of each but you don't see a difference? Really?

Based on your newb questions in recent days I'd suggest to you that your watching "plenty of videos demoing" hasn't really given you a clear picture of how these DAWs work. Try the trials of the apps and decide for yourself. Cubase has a 30-day trial, and Reason lets you work in Demo mode.
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studio one maybe?
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I would recommend you start with Cubase 6

Which is a real DAW, with great midi/audio/VST instruments, ...etc., VST3, ...etc.

You can add Reason 6 later on, and use it as a standalone app., or Rewire it to Cubase 6.

That way, you get the best of both worlds !
I would recommand the same


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I think Cubase is the way to go. As mentioned earlier, you can always rewire in Reason later if you want access to Reason's instrument racks.

Odds are that Cubase will do everything you will ever want to do in a DAW or can be made to do so with a plugin. Reason might do this for you as well, but it's feature set is much more limited, so the chances of running into a barrier while writing music is higher.

I really dislike how Reason has stayed away from the VSTi standard.

Also, don't dismiss the Cubase included plugins. Some of them sound amazing. I use Groove Agent ONE as my percussion and one-shot sampler. I also use REVerence in every track I produce.
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Hands down cubase is better.
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I was in a similar situation and ended up plumping for Cubase 6. The lack of MIDI out in Reason was the killer.
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Why not consider the other options? Ableton live, studio one, logic, reaper...

Demo them all I would suggest
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Maybe try Adderall?

Seriously though, I don't see how another typical DAW is going to help ADD...if you can't get shit done in Logic, you aren't going to get it done in Cubase. And now you have two DAWs to worry about, neither of which are the industry standard. So I don't see the point.

I'd get Reason. It's more fun, and you can make music quickly, perfect for the SkrillexADD generation. Or maybe try a whole different style of DAW like Ableton Live.
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Maybe try Adderall?

Seriously though, I don't see how another typical DAW is going to help ADD...if you can't get shit done in Logic, you aren't going to get it done in Cubase. And now you have two DAWs to worry about, neither of which are the industry standard. So I don't see the point.

I'd get Reason. It's more fun, and you can make music quickly, perfect for the SkrillexADD generation. Or maybe try a whole different style of DAW like Ableton Live.
you don't see the point because its not industry standard? Neither is bologna, but many folks eat it.
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Cubase 6 is the overall more powerful app for doing most things recording and audio related. Reason 6 is more streamlined but better for writing and ITB production.

Just demo the two apps and see which one you like. Reason is easier to learn.
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Just for the record, I mentioned in the OP that I currently do use Logic Pro 9 and Reaper 4(with Komplete 8). I get good results with both of them but like I mentioned I always have to constantly keep rotating between these two to keep things fresh(in my head), so adding a third workstation would help a deal.

I sold all my hardware synths so I would only be working with midi, and I would be using the program on a Windows laptop, and no, I don't make dubstep, electro, trance, or techno, I don't even know who this Shrillex is. I make jazz/hip hop, synthpop, and electronic neofolk.
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I honestly can't see what Cubase will give you as a different way of looking at things when you already have the software that you do.

Reason is a completely different animal.
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get Reason, Ableton or Renoise. those are a lot different from Logic and Reaper.
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Yeah I guess I am trying to say that I'm looking for a different type of workflow than what is offered by Logic and Reaper. I tried Ableton Live 8 and yes I did find it quite different from other daws, and it has got some interesting features, but I'm not much into looping and sampling.

I know that Reason is marketed towards electronic musicians, and while I do use synthesizers a lot, I also like to have good quality physical modeling/sampled instruments like pianos, acoustic and electric basses, strings, guitars, woodwinds, acoustic drum kits.

Does Reason feature a good collection of these of these instruments?
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it has got all that stuff and i would say it's usable, not the best but i've heard worse.
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Yeah, Reason has a very good collection of sampled real-world instruments. I doubt you'd be able to find a better collection for the price.
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I am a huge reason fanboy and now an exclusive user of it, i never need to go out of it. But it DOES need pdc and a couple of small features. The included plugins are mostly superb and the stability and cpu usage (or lack thereof) is just spot on.

Cubase is alot more powerful sure, but it depends on your needs and what music you are doing. (i know cubase pretty much back to front also)

Now that the reason rack has been opened to third party manufacturers it takes the pressure off the devs to created new factory content and instead focus on the sequencer itself, which is evidenced that they are already doing so by seeking a solution to PDC asap and listening to other user requests.

Reason can only get better from here.

Listen i am open to anything you'd like to ask about it. The past almost 2 months, i have literally breathed this thing night and day for pretty much 15 hrs a day no joke.

ask me anything and i'll do my best to help
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If you're looking to use the stock sounds... I would agree that you'll have much more fun with Reason 6's stock library than with Cubase's. Reason has awesome instrument sounds... but it's synths probably beat Cubase. Cubase does have the Halion sounds it comes with however... which are very nice.

You can't make a bad choice... but i'd grab Reason 6 w/ a slight edge here.


I would have recommended Presonus Studio One, which is my favorite DAW now by far, after using Reason 4.. Cubase 5, Sonar, and Reaper. But the stock sounds Studio One comes with are a step below Reason and Cubase.

However... Studio One + Komplete 8 would be a hands down, clear-cut winner in my eyes. S1's workflow is superior, and it might help your ADD
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If you're mainly going to be recording real instruments or external hardware (synths, sound modules, etc.) then getting Cubase 6 is probably the way to go.
Though I have to add, that of late (last two revisions), Reason's audio recording and handling capabilities have become very strong. The decision is simple. If you're a musician/composer in your free time (aside from your regular producer roles), Reason is the way to go, its really intuitive. If you have a whole host of vsts that you like using regularly which you can't live without, go with another DAW. I highly recommend trying out Reason 6 child, demo it
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Beside other missing features I do believe that one of the biggest downside of Reason is, the lack of VST and AU support. Having Komplete 8 in your arsenal and can't make use of that in your DAW is a bummer...
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Are you really looking for a new DAW to learn, or are you looking for a different kind of challenge? Perhaps you should try some new plug-ins? Like all music-makers, I'm familiar with the feeling of being "stuck" in a workflow and wanting something different - but you should really be careful that you aren't just wasting your time and money. I use Live, Reaper and Renoise myself, but when I really need to get in a different headspace, I forego DAWs entirely and spend some time with SuperCollider, Max, Tassman and Reaktor. Have you thought of looking at that? Granted it's a technical challenge, but I think it'll be more of the system-shock (if you're looking for that) than yet another DAW.
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I think the only competitor to reason in work flow, intruments and self contained DAW would be Ableton Live Suite with out using its vst capabilities and adding Max for live, that IMHO could top Reason.
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If Reason had VST support..... *sigh*.... I cry tears of joy just thinking about that lol. I never would have left. Studio One is unbelievably awesome to me... but i'd strongly consider going back to Reason. I feel my creativity was at an all-time high there.

I'd wonder how well I can mix in Reason though. I'm just so used to Studio One's mixer now.
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