3rd August 2012
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#1 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 246
Thread Starter | BFD2 users..
How do you find it?
In particular how are the cymbal sounds?
Specifically if you were to ride a crash cymbal, like quarter note crashes as is standard in a lot of rock tunes nowadays, does it sound okay?
Superior obviously has that MHE which blends the attack of cymbals when they are played successively. And I find the cymbals on that to sound good and authentic.
I'm thinking of getting BFD2 as well but if the cymbals are not so great I'll have to reconsider maybe.
Any thoughts from users?
Thanks.
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3rd August 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Birmingham/UK
Posts: 1,515
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The better you are at programming BFD/drums the more realistic it becomes
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3rd August 2012
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#3 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 705
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They're all great. I used bfd and bfd2 for years. This year I've using the superior line and have all but 2 expansions. I like them maybe a little more but they're both great. With superior I've been buying some of the producer presets and like a lot of those as they're more "mixed" sounding. Also, the midi groove library in superior is a little easier (for me) to access and use. I also have all the Kontakt drums (session drummer and abbey road) and those are great as well! For realism this is a great time. The deficit in sound probably comes down more to the programming and now,with all the midi grooves available, that's less of an issue.
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4th August 2012
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#4 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 246
Thread Starter |
Thanks.
Well I don't use any of the grooves usually. I tend to draw up custom midi for every project that needs it.
Just hoping BFD2 will sound natural and punchy as I feel Superior is a little plasticky sometimes and I can never seem to find dry kick and snare sounds in Superior that I am happy with.
I'll eventually get JB Evil Drums.
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4th August 2012
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#5 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2009 Location: London
Posts: 1,246
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BFD takes more work but it has great raw sounds.if check out the Jim Scott and Andy johns expansion packs.
I've been using superior recently as I'm having problems with BFD 2 x64 and Cubase 6.5.
MC
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4th August 2012
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#6 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2009 Location: London
Posts: 1,246
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Originally Posted by norbury brook BFD takes more work but it has great raw sounds.if check out the Jim Scott and Andy johns expansion packs.
I've been using superior recently as I'm having problems with BFD 2 x64 and Cubase 6.5.
MC
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25th September 2012
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#7 | | Gear nut
Joined: Dec 2004 Location: music city
Posts: 97
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I searched some old threads, wondered if anyone here was using BFD with any success and could help regarding giving me some tips on routing outputs etc. Also is it possible to access the different sounds generated by different velocities without a drum-pad type unit?
I've had this for several years and it's been a lot of trouble to be honest, but finally got it working with PT and Logic.
Any templates you would be willing to share would be awesome.
I'd appreciate any help.
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25th September 2012
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#8 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jan 2012 Location: Sydney
Posts: 113
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There is heaps of videos on youtube and also advice on the fxpansion forums!
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25th September 2012
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#9 | | Gear nut
Joined: Dec 2004 Location: music city
Posts: 97
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yeah I've been on the forums, I guess I was really looking for advice from guys
more in the pro-audio realm with regards to sounds, mixing, comp and sub group etc.. like you would on a real drum set session.
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25th September 2012
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#10 | | Gear Head
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 66
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All in all.. I'm a BFD/2 user with logic thinking about getting into another program. BFD to me makes simple things a little too complex... I've been spending a little time just figuring out different things with BFD and utilizing their customer support. Just for one simple question, took a whole week to get a response to a weird sound the cymbals were adding when it wasn't mapped on the midi. That really isn't acceptable to me when I am inspired to work on something immediately and have to deal with such an issue for so long. I also think the mixing options within logic feel a little limited- why can't there be a way to route every drumset piece to a separate channel and NOT utilize the BFD mixer? (Maybe there is and someone will let me know.) Anyways.. I'm thinking of moving to another program when some cash is on hand.
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25th September 2012
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#11 | | Gear addict
Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Marbella
Posts: 313
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BFD2 is a bit like The Library of Babel for Drums. Just about any sound you're looking for is probably in there, somewhere, but good luck finding it. Terabytes of data, gazillion microphone feeds, endless options. I tossed it and got Addictive Drums instead. Life is too short.
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25th September 2012
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#12 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jan 2012 Location: Brighton UK
Posts: 195
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I too have all the Kontakt drum's but to be honest they never get a look in as im quite into BFD 2. I think the library is first class. It took me a little while to get up to grips with the internal mixer n things, but well worth persevering with. It really is top draw stuff and once you've established a few templates from which you like to work, you can be away and running in seconds. I simply cant believe any of its competitors are faster or simpler, once you know what your doing and your all set up.
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26th September 2012
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#13 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2011 Location: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 1,888
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I really want to like BFD2[I got it on sale for $149],BUT it's far too complex,and at 50GB is unnecessarily huge,also it is 5 years old now,so I have gone back to SSD4,which although can be rather pre processed,it has a very intuitive,super easy to use and operate GUI,and mixer[with a couple caveats].
As far as "cymbal sounds" SSD4 is "beyond reproach"
RK
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26th September 2012
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#14 | | Gear Head
Joined: Apr 2011 Location: London
Posts: 63
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BFD2 is fantastic, I use it on nearly everything, but I can see how it might be a bit much for producers who don't have much 'real' engineering experience, particularly drum recording. Still there are plenty of other sample libraries out there for them! If u have the skills then there are few sounds you can't get from BFD. Some amazing expansion packs to.
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26th September 2012
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#15 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2011 Location: AUSTRALIA
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[QUOTE=NickRundall;8295738 but I can see how it might be a bit much for producers who don't have much 'real' engineering experience [/QUOTE]
Gee thanks man.......oh well,it's better than-saying nothing.....which is the vibe I'm getting from the cloud.  |
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26th September 2012
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#16 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 226
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I Recently bought this(which I see is still on sale)
Zildjian Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack No-Brainer from Audiomidi
For midi files I use EZ Player Pro and when I pick and want to edit a groove I drag from the browser to an arrangement track within the plug. You can choose individual kit pieces and map to just any drum sampler VSTi out there. So the Kick, snare toms go to my Slate drum plugs and the HH Cymbals on a Gen Vault track in my Daw. There are many articulations to choose and assign within BFD Eco Gen vault. Or I just pound out my beats on my Akai MPD32. here is their no-brainer page. Definitely worth it as the cymbals are great Zildjian Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack No-Brainer |
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26th September 2012
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#17 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2012 Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 153
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I guess it's different from DAW to DAW but in Logic you can use a Multiple-Outputs version of the Software Instrument plugin to get 8 stereo and 8 mono tracks for instance. You can mix those like normal audio channels and assign what you want to go where within BFD (mixer tab).
I usually end up blending the BD and Snare mics within BFD and outputting them to one mono aux each... then mono auxes for toms and 3 stereo auxes for overheads, room mics, cymbal mics.
If you then create new audio tracks in Logic and assign those auxes as their inputs, you can record them as audio and use them like the audio files you'd take home from a studio to save yourself some processing power after you're finished with all editing.
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26th September 2012
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#18 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 583
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The Sonic Reality Ken Scott kits for BFD are impressive.
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