Samplitude question

galaga · 17th June 2006, 05:02 PM

Until I'm a registered owner, I can't access the Samplitude forums to search or ask questions.

I've been watching another engineer work who uses Samplitude and am considering getting it myself. One job it's very attractive in would be for "mastering". My question to any Samplitude ( or even sequoia) owners is this:

Unless I'm mistaken, (which would be easy having only watched him), there are 2 methods to work from. You can import 24/48 stereo files into a 24/48 session. Or.......you can create 16/44 session that will load the 24/48 files but show them as "resample". This doesn't "appear" to actually create any resampling at this point; just includes the word "resample" with the object name.

Which is the best way to work? r can anyone shed some light on this for me? I come from a background in PT where all files must be the same sample rate, so humor a Samplitude noob wannabe....

Ianneve · 18th June 2006, 05:19 PM

I'm not exactly sure what your asking but Samplitude will play the files at whatever sample rate your hardware is set to. I stay in 24/44.1 at all times on my own sessions but get sessions in that are 24/48. I switch my hardware accordingly and yes I have to create the session at 24/48 otherwise there is a problem. Then dureing mastering I dither down through my Cranesong hedd to 16 bit 44.1 Back into samplitude. I'm not sure if I'm answering your question or not sorry.. I did want to respond though as I LOVE Samplitude and have since opening it after being on Nuendo for 3 years... can't go back now... I love the lay out and the SOUND. Awesome. The combinaion of the hedd and Samplitude is fantastic. I also mix through 16 Mytek D/A's. and the D2buss. Killer... If you buy it you won't be sorry... Tech support is great on the forum. No nasty people like on Steinberg. Just nice smart people. It's great.

galaga · 18th June 2006, 06:09 PM

Ianneve,

Thanks for the reply. I tend to ramble especially since I don't fully understand Samplitude. So I was proably vague with my question. I appreciate your trying to respond. I really want understand this before I get samplitude, so I'll try to simply my question.

One thing I'll want to do is to create a session to import 24/48 stereo mixes into, do some "mastering", then make a cd from this. Unless I've misunderstood, Samplitude will play back files with different sample rates within the same session( it titles a 48k file placed in a 44.1 session as being "resampled" yet does no processing at this point and plays the correct speed). So I could create either a 24/48 session or a 24/44.1 session to do this "mastering" from. Is either way better, worse or does it matter? I understand that either way requires dithering down to cd. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the best work flow.

Ianneve · 18th June 2006, 06:36 PM

I see.. I have not done that... Not knowlingly anyway.. But I would imagine staying as high as your highest sample rate would be best. But I don't know. I tend to work pretty much the same way all the time. Staying at 44.1. I have not to my knowledge done what your asking.. Sorry I can't help more... I have mastered down from 48 like I said though... Let me post your question for you on our forum and see what kind of responce I get. :>)

MACHINE · 18th June 2006, 07:49 PM

hmmmmm

Niko · 19th June 2006, 01:31 PM

Hi,
I think what you mean is Object resampling, if you import a file into Samp that has a different samplerate than the project Samp uses resampling on the Object for that file. This is configurable though I think, haven't made much use of it myself yet.
In any case the Object resampling is done in realtime and therefore isn't of very good quality. So it is much better to start the project at the samplerate of the audio data. If you must resample it's better to use the offline samplerate conversion.
For CD mastering you can simply run the project at 24/48 and when it's time to burn you can configure how the audio will be converted to 16/44.1 (i.e. select samplerate conversion and dithering algorithms).

Niko

pingu · 19th June 2006, 03:02 PM

http://support.magix.net/boards/samp...php?act=SF&f=1

Ianneve · 19th June 2006, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE
One thing I'll want to do is to create a session to import 24/48 stereo mixes into, do some "mastering", then make a cd from this.

Samplitude can do a good job of sample rate conversion and bit rate conversion, both of which will be needed to cut the CD.

QUOTE
Unless I've misunderstood, Samplitude will play back files with different sample rates within the same session. So I could create either a 24/48 session or a 24/44.1 session to do this "mastering" from.

Yes, you can choose one sample rate or the other. Assuming that you want to retain the correct pitch for all files (most likely!), Samplitude does not allow different sample rates within the same VIP, so probably it is best to convert the 48 files to 44.1 when they are read into Samplitude.

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17th June 2006, 05:02 PM	#1
galaga Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 70	Samplitude question Until I'm a registered owner, I can't access the Samplitude forums to search or ask questions. I've been watching another engineer work who uses Samplitude and am considering getting it myself. One job it's very attractive in would be for "mastering". My question to any Samplitude ( or even sequoia) owners is this: Unless I'm mistaken, (which would be easy having only watched him), there are 2 methods to work from. You can import 24/48 stereo files into a 24/48 session. Or.......you can create 16/44 session that will load the 24/48 files but show them as "resample". This doesn't "appear" to actually create any resampling at this point; just includes the word "resample" with the object name. Which is the best way to work? r can anyone shed some light on this for me? I come from a background in PT where all files must be the same sample rate, so humor a Samplitude noob wannabe....

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18th June 2006, 05:19 PM	#2
Ianneve Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 421	I'm not exactly sure what your asking but Samplitude will play the files at whatever sample rate your hardware is set to. I stay in 24/44.1 at all times on my own sessions but get sessions in that are 24/48. I switch my hardware accordingly and yes I have to create the session at 24/48 otherwise there is a problem. Then dureing mastering I dither down through my Cranesong hedd to 16 bit 44.1 Back into samplitude. I'm not sure if I'm answering your question or not sorry.. I did want to respond though as I LOVE Samplitude and have since opening it after being on Nuendo for 3 years... can't go back now... I love the lay out and the SOUND. Awesome. The combinaion of the hedd and Samplitude is fantastic. I also mix through 16 Mytek D/A's. and the D2buss. Killer... If you buy it you won't be sorry... Tech support is great on the forum. No nasty people like on Steinberg. Just nice smart people. It's great.

18th June 2006, 06:09 PM	#3
galaga Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 70	Ianneve, Thanks for the reply. I tend to ramble especially since I don't fully understand Samplitude. So I was proably vague with my question. I appreciate your trying to respond. I really want understand this before I get samplitude, so I'll try to simply my question. One thing I'll want to do is to create a session to import 24/48 stereo mixes into, do some "mastering", then make a cd from this. Unless I've misunderstood, Samplitude will play back files with different sample rates within the same session( it titles a 48k file placed in a 44.1 session as being "resampled" yet does no processing at this point and plays the correct speed). So I could create either a 24/48 session or a 24/44.1 session to do this "mastering" from. Is either way better, worse or does it matter? I understand that either way requires dithering down to cd. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the best work flow.

18th June 2006, 06:36 PM	#4
Ianneve Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 421	I see.. I have not done that... Not knowlingly anyway.. But I would imagine staying as high as your highest sample rate would be best. But I don't know. I tend to work pretty much the same way all the time. Staying at 44.1. I have not to my knowledge done what your asking.. Sorry I can't help more... I have mastered down from 48 like I said though... Let me post your question for you on our forum and see what kind of responce I get. :>)

18th June 2006, 07:49 PM	#5
MACHINE Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 324	hmmmmm

19th June 2006, 01:31 PM	#6
Niko Gear interested Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	Hi, I think what you mean is Object resampling, if you import a file into Samp that has a different samplerate than the project Samp uses resampling on the Object for that file. This is configurable though I think, haven't made much use of it myself yet. In any case the Object resampling is done in realtime and therefore isn't of very good quality. So it is much better to start the project at the samplerate of the audio data. If you must resample it's better to use the offline samplerate conversion. For CD mastering you can simply run the project at 24/48 and when it's time to burn you can configure how the audio will be converted to 16/44.1 (i.e. select samplerate conversion and dithering algorithms). Niko

19th June 2006, 03:02 PM	#7
pingu Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 665	http://support.magix.net/boards/samp...php?act=SF&f=1

19th June 2006, 03:08 PM	#8
Ianneve Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 421	Member No.: 2337 Joined: 15-March 06 QUOTE One thing I'll want to do is to create a session to import 24/48 stereo mixes into, do some "mastering", then make a cd from this. Samplitude can do a good job of sample rate conversion and bit rate conversion, both of which will be needed to cut the CD. QUOTE Unless I've misunderstood, Samplitude will play back files with different sample rates within the same session. So I could create either a 24/48 session or a 24/44.1 session to do this "mastering" from. Yes, you can choose one sample rate or the other. Assuming that you want to retain the correct pitch for all files (most likely!), Samplitude does not allow different sample rates within the same VIP, so probably it is best to convert the 48 files to 44.1 when they are read into Samplitude.