Is beat detective only way to edit drums?

Vertigo2006 · 16th June 2006, 11:35 PM

Hi!

I ´am new Logic user. Is there any chance to quantizise drums without Pro tools???
I also have pc with Ozone so I can use M-powered Pro tools.

V

SK1 · 16th June 2006, 11:42 PM

see this thread

Equivalent of beat detective for logic ?

lobsterinn · 17th June 2006, 03:06 AM

I have Beat Detective, but I still do it the 'old fashioned' way- by ear. If something feels draggy pull it back a bit. If it is rushy, push it forward. It is especially easy if you record the click track (assuming there is one) and then you can visually gage where the beat feels good and correct to that.
Of course, if the drummer is really bad, then it might be time to get out B.D.- or hire a new drummer.

Lawrence · 17th June 2006, 03:43 AM

Logic doesn't have hitpoint detection? That's been a feature in Cubase for a while.

SX (and I thought most daws) detects hitpoints and slices the file so you can change tempo, quantize or whatever.

I assumed most daws had that feature by now.

Lawrence

ethan_c · 17th June 2006, 05:56 AM

.... only when you are in the 'High End' forum. Now when you are in the 'Computer and Music' forum no, you can use other tools but here your stuck with Beat Detective only...

Aearth · 17th June 2006, 06:16 PM

I can never get beat detective to work, I must be doing somethink wrong. Cut and move for me.

Nick

C_F_H_13 · 17th June 2006, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aearth

I can never get beat detective to work, I must be doing somethink wrong. Cut and move for me.

Nick

I had this problem for a long time. The turning point for me was using the kick snare tracks to set the triggers, then selecting the whole drum kit. Works amazing. Simple drum grooves with 16th notes...whole song...15-30 minutes tops.

mtstudi@pacbell · 17th June 2006, 06:55 PM

No, you can do it manually. Beat Detective just speeds up the process, by cutting on spikes set to desired resolution and then moving them to grid. Never full proof.

When using Beat Detective highlight small sections of entire drum kit in grid mode only on 1st downbeat of measure (Vrs, Chrs Ect.) otherwise it will move everything to wrong points. If triplets exist do them separately. Usually set resolutions to 1/8 note analyze, use slider to hit all 1/8 notes appropriately, separate regions, and conform to grid. Tip: use hand tool and command (maybe option can't remember) to erase undesired points. Cross fade and fill space not recommended, you will most likely get double kicks and snares. Just fill space, then go back through and pull regions to a more appropriate edit point and cross fade manually. I would also recommend after completion duplicating play list and consolidate. Create new session and remove un-consolidated play list. Otherwise computer will have problems playing at times.
Hopefully that answers two posters questions.

www.bluethumbproductions.com

Aearth · 18th June 2006, 12:48 AM

Cool..thanks guys.

Nick

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Vertigo2006 Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 51	Is beat detective only way to edit drums? Hi! I ´am new Logic user. Is there any chance to quantizise drums without Pro tools??? I also have pc with Ozone so I can use M-powered Pro tools. V

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Lawrence Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 691	Logic doesn't have hitpoint detection? That's been a feature in Cubase for a while. SX (and I thought most daws) detects hitpoints and slices the file so you can change tempo, quantize or whatever. I assumed most daws had that feature by now. Lawrence __________________ The Audio Cave NFL Pool 2008

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16th June 2006, 11:42 PM	#2
SK1 Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 914	see this thread Equivalent of beat detective for logic ?

17th June 2006, 03:06 AM	#3
lobsterinn Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 110	I have Beat Detective, but I still do it the 'old fashioned' way- by ear. If something feels draggy pull it back a bit. If it is rushy, push it forward. It is especially easy if you record the click track (assuming there is one) and then you can visually gage where the beat feels good and correct to that. Of course, if the drummer is really bad, then it might be time to get out B.D.- or hire a new drummer.

17th June 2006, 05:56 AM	#5
ethan_c Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 236	.... only when you are in the 'High End' forum. Now when you are in the 'Computer and Music' forum no, you can use other tools but here your stuck with Beat Detective only...

17th June 2006, 06:16 PM	#6
Aearth Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,113	I can never get beat detective to work, I must be doing somethink wrong. Cut and move for me. Nick

17th June 2006, 06:55 PM	#8
mtstudi@pacbell Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 889	No, you can do it manually. Beat Detective just speeds up the process, by cutting on spikes set to desired resolution and then moving them to grid. Never full proof. When using Beat Detective highlight small sections of entire drum kit in grid mode only on 1st downbeat of measure (Vrs, Chrs Ect.) otherwise it will move everything to wrong points. If triplets exist do them separately. Usually set resolutions to 1/8 note analyze, use slider to hit all 1/8 notes appropriately, separate regions, and conform to grid. Tip: use hand tool and command (maybe option can't remember) to erase undesired points. Cross fade and fill space not recommended, you will most likely get double kicks and snares. Just fill space, then go back through and pull regions to a more appropriate edit point and cross fade manually. I would also recommend after completion duplicating play list and consolidate. Create new session and remove un-consolidated play list. Otherwise computer will have problems playing at times. Hopefully that answers two posters questions. www.bluethumbproductions.com

18th June 2006, 12:48 AM	#9
Aearth Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,113	Cool..thanks guys. Nick