22nd July 2012
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#211 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by RighteousBasturd  | Self quoting now huh?! Have you considered a fair few people might have you on ignore?!
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22nd July 2012
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#212 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey Who are these guys, and why are they qualified to give advice?! More than anyone else?
I'm at a "pro"'s house right now. Mine! | well, Chris Lake has done an official remixes for Lady Gaga, the Black Eyed Peas and Madonna. I would call that pro. He is a friend of Seb Leger.
Thomas Bangalter is one half of Daft Punk, currently featured in the new talking iphone adverts.
All I'm saying is, people find Live very creative to work with. And it sounds just fine.
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23rd July 2012
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#213 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by RighteousBasturd You seemed to have missed the quote part...makes sense as you seem to miss how DAWs sound different as well.
Nice of you to take the opportunity to try and personally slam me at every turn. That is just further indication that you must be insecure about this.
For the record, I did not address you personally. So why don't you do yourself a favor and ease up on the trolling for net fights. You are clearly wrong on this and it must sting ...the thought of having to take it all back after all the posturing and feet stomping you've done on this...
whatever...not my problem. | I'll take it back when you prove what you say 
Must sting to be wrong....PS check out the meaning of "trolling" sometime....you're classic material. Total lack of any substance but inflammatory remarks designed to goad....yup, I think you fit the bill!
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23rd July 2012
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#214 | | Gear nut
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 112
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Originally Posted by RighteousBasturd You seemed to have missed the quote part... | Er what? Is someone getting their socks mixed up by any chance?
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23rd July 2012
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#215 | | Gear nut
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No software has it's "own" sound. It's only the question what it does to the sound. The best software is a software that actually adds nothing to your tracks. Unless you want it (EQ, Comp.).
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23rd July 2012
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#216 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2010
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Originally Posted by PeterN No software has it's "own" sound. It's only the question what it does to the sound. The best software is a software that actually adds nothing to your tracks. Unless you want it (EQ, Comp.). | Id have to agree(or not).Software may have(or may not have) no sound(soul)and adds nothing to my tracks.In fact it takes away.
edit-still there seems to be an invisible non sound that characterises certain brands.But its hard to say and impossible to talk about here(it seems).aha "The answer is blowing in the wind my friend,the answer is blowing in the wind......."
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23rd July 2012
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#217 | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by kennyda well, Chris Lake has done an official remixes for Lady Gaga, the Black Eyed Peas and Madonna. I would call that pro. He is a friend of Seb Leger. | I'd call it pro as well (not that I know who Seb Leger is, probably not my sort of music). Doesn't make him a technical authority, any more so than anyone on here who knows their onions. Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyda Thomas Bangalter is one half of Daft Punk, currently featured in the new talking iphone adverts. | Likewise. Daft Punk make/made some pretty cool tunes, and are definitely genre definers (even if they are a bit reliant on the widdly synth solo at times) but at no point do I recall a technical proof being published with Mr Bangalter's byeline. He's just another opinion. The fact he's made a "hit" is neither here nor there. Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyda All I'm saying is, people find Live very creative to work with. And it sounds just fine. | Well, I don't disagree there at all. But the names mentioned don't add or remove anything from this, which is why I queried why you brought them up. It's simply irrelevant. Quote:
Originally Posted by RighteousBasturd Simple. Because they make hit music.
Go make a hit and then I'll start taking you seriously. | Doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. I've met lots of well qualified engineers (by well qualified I mean those who've had serious chart success and/or critical acclaim) who technically are weaker than my dad when it comes to computers and understanding what they do. Means nothing.
As for me...well, I can't claim to have produced a top 10 record or anything, but I've engineered a #1 single/#3 album in their entirety, have credits on many other charting and critically acclaimed albums, and have engineered for names your mum would know - will that do?
Not that that means anything as to whether I know what I'm talking about or not.....it's as irrelevant as everything else.
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23rd July 2012
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#218 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2010 Location: New York
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A DAW is like a tuba.
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23rd July 2012
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#219 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2009
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Originally Posted by RighteousBasturd ...and YES...having chart success is an indication that you know what you are doing... | Sure it is.
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23rd July 2012
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#220 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jan 2010
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey
Likewise. Daft Punk make/made some pretty cool tunes, and are definitely genre definers (even if they are a bit reliant on the widdly synth solo at times) but at no point do I recall a technical proof being published with Mr Bangalter's byeline. He's just another opinion. The fact he's made a "hit" is neither here nor there.
| You seem to be forgetting that I said that Thomas Bangalter thinks Live does have it's own sound, one that he likes. I don't know if it does or not. What I do know it it's got Session View and that's where Live users can construct a song in a way other Daw users can't.
Question, do other DAWs have Racks equivalent to Live?
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23rd July 2012
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#221 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by kennyda Question, do other DAWs have Racks equivalent to Live? | Bitwig | Bitwig Studio | |
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24th July 2012
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#222 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by kennyda You seem to be forgetting that I said that Thomas Bangalter thinks Live does have it's own sound, one that he likes. I don't know if it does or not. What I do know it it's got Session View and that's where Live users can construct a song in a way other Daw users can't.
Question, do other DAWs have Racks equivalent to Live? | Probably does have a "sound" - the way he uses it.
You're very much on track though by pointing out workflow influencing "sound".
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24th July 2012
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#223 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by RighteousPrick | Hehe you don't give up do you?!
Enjoy the repeated bannings....selfrighteousprick would have been a better user name, maybe in a couple of days?!
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24th July 2012
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#224 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Germany |
Another BS Gearslutz thread......
my 0's and 1's sound better than your 0's and 1's anyway.
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24th July 2012
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#225 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by lordward Another BS Gearslutz thread......
my 0's and 1's sound better than your 0's and 1's anyway. | Couldn't agree more.
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24th July 2012
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#226 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Originally Posted by Andy_bt @ OP:
I would formulate it differently: do Live real time SRC and time stretch have their own sound?
A. | One of the few people who had it right from the start ..
A Null Test is not really going to prove anything .. You could drop the Audio Files in both Logic and Live and they will most probably null.
The "Warp Engine" algorithm (As Ableton themselves called it, which gives it the ability to convert time and pitch) creates artefacts.
Period.
You are hearing Real Time Sample Rate Conversion and Time Stretching. That's a lot of processing on the fly. It sounds similar to pitch-shifting a CD more than +/-4 cents on a Pioneer CDJ 1000/2000 .. Surely a lot of you know THAT sound .. Transients become smeared, and alias overtones appear in multiple bands of the Frequency Spectrum .. A bit like the sound of MP3's .. Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyda Indeedy. The sound differences are probably miniscule .. | No .. They're actually quite huge. When you hear the phenomenon on a large line array (D&B J-Series) at a festival, it sounds horrifically awful ... Like "Ear Rape" .. To anyone who calls themselves a sound engineer ..
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24th July 2012
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#227 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Berlin
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People will always believe or hear what they want to hear!
I remember two funny things:
1) I once played an e.p. I made, to a friend (who always told me to not mix in Live and he's a pretty respected mastering engineer in the techno scene)
claiming that I mixed it in Logic. His reaction: "Wow, I can hear it!" 
2) I once posted a demonstration for something (a quick track I've done for some reason - don't remember the purpose).
One comment was "Sounds muddy and blurry due to Live's timestretching engine", while it was all programmed and no audio files involved.
I've done and heard hundreds of great mixes done in Live and heard many shitty mixes done in PT, Logic, Cubase etc.
This discussion will NEVER end!!!
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24th July 2012
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#228 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by phas3d | what's Bitwig? | |
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24th July 2012
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#229 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by kennyda what's Bitwig? | Is the link working???  | |
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24th July 2012
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#230 | | Gear maniac
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24th July 2012
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#231 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Tampa
Posts: 1,896
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Originally Posted by miro This discussion will NEVER end!!! | Bump.  | |
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25th July 2012
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#232 | | Lives for gear
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25th July 2012
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#233 | | Lives for gear
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Free post-  | |
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26th July 2012
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#234 | | Gear maniac
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lol!
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8th February 2013
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#235 | | Gear Head
Joined: Sep 2011
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THis topic is uncle escapable. Here it goes.
I broke my teeth on Cool Edit Pro for 10+ years. I needed something to perform live with .... got a teamair copy of live 7 to do so. I transitioned to writing and recording with that copy entirely 3 years ago. Running it with an rme fireface and tannoy monitors, Snhzr headphones I always felt the sound was muddy no matter the instrument, sample, no matter what genre. Constantly trying compensate with fancy eq and compression, only to fall further. Apart from ambient industrial metal styles, I felt somehow incompetent as a music making dude.
I bought a copy of Live 8 yesterday and the sound difference is staggering. I can finally drops fat 808s and airy claps along side of reserved synth piano melodies. Granted everything is tuned, I am very pleased with most end results.
Sure, Im happy but is there some deeper meaning in regards to the debate with no end?
Maybe the suckas with burnt copies of Live are the ones with the most criticism. I dont know.
Listen. If you ever make it to the majors its all getting mixed in PT either way. So why worry?
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8th February 2013
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#236 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2013 Location: awesomenessessissity
Posts: 101
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Originally Posted by ZillahGod I bought a copy of Live 8 yesterday and the sound difference is staggering. I can finally drops fat 808s and airy claps along side of reserved synth piano melodies. Granted everything is tuned, I am very pleased with most end results. | Is there really THAT much of a difference in stock sound quality going from 7 to 8?
I was recently gifted a Live 7 license and over the last month have been learning the ins and outs of it. Now contemplating either sticking with 7 or doing the upgrade and/or purchasing another more advanced program for mastering.
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8th February 2013
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#237 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2011 Location: UK
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All high end DAWS should sound the same until you add effects.
Live 9 has got a new analog style Compressor and EQ from Cytomic so expect it to have a different character when you try 9 after version 8 or 7 if you use Lives EQ and fancy using that shiny new Glue comp.
I prefair to use third party plugins with Live like DMG Audio and Soundtoys and Slate Digital plugs to add some character and warmth to it.
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8th February 2013
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#238 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2013 Location: awesomenessessissity
Posts: 101
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Originally Posted by kaboom75 All high end DAWS should sound the same until you add effects.
Live 9 has got a new analog style Compressor and EQ from Cytomic so expect it to have a different character when you try 9 after version 8 or 7 if you use Lives EQ and fancy using that shiny new Glue comp.
I prefair to use third party plugins with Live like DMG Audio and Soundtoys and Slate Digital plugs to add some character and warmth to it. | Well, I'm sure there's a huge difference between the sound engine in say Live 1 and Live 7, so that is why I'm wondering if upgrading Live 7 to 8 (which would be 9 whenever it arrives) is also a massive difference in quality as the other person described?
And yeah, totally agree with you on using third party plugs for processing most of the time.
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10th February 2013
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#239 | | Gear Head
Joined: Sep 2011
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Its really hard to keep the wig on the cat at first but it comes with some of the best eq and compression that Ive heard. The wigs are clearly synthetic and I dont believe that an analog alternative is available. Price to pay I guess.
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