Logic 9.1.7 + Lion 10.7.4 = White Screen of death

[mardyk]

This seems to be quite common problem with this combination. As far as I can tell it's not present if you run logic in 64-bit mode. Either that or roll back to Snow Leopard if you can. I use logic in 64 bit mode on my home MBP with lion and 32-bit on my studio MP running Snow Leopard. The 32-bit bridge is a bit of a pita but at least Logic doesn't crash or hang.

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by mardyk

This seems to be quite common problem with this combination. As far as I can tell it's not present if you run logic in 64-bit mode. Either that or roll back to Snow Leopard if you can. I use logic in 64 bit mode on my home MBP with lion and 32-bit on my studio MP running Snow Leopard. The 32-bit bridge is a bit of a pita but at least Logic doesn't crash or hang.

Thanks a lot!
Ok, I see...well, a real PITA, since I´m working on a movie score, is that bounce to movie does´t work in 64bit. But I guess that is something I can work around one way or the other.

Not gonna try and roll back to SL though, not even sure I can, I am not sure this Mac Pro supports SL.

Ok, I am gonna try 64 bit now and see what happens.
Thnx!

[sbackdoor]

How did you get such a big movie file running inside Logic? Isn't that causing this? Problem in 64 bit will be it doesn't properly do movie files as far as I recall.

EDIT Oh sorry I see you already knew that last bit.

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

How did you get such a big movie file running inside Logic? Isn't that causing this? Problem in 64 bit will be it doesn't properly do movie files as far as I recall.

EDIT Oh sorry I see you already knew that last bit.

yeah, but sure, the size of the QT might be the problem. That´s why I wanted to check here and see if anyone else is doing this.
It´s a real pita for me if I have to edit the movie to get all the cues, but I might end up having to do that anyway...let´s see

[sbackdoor]

All I can tell you is I've worked with .mov files up to 10-12 minutes without a problem. But I can imagine a 6 GB file might cause the ram usage part of Logic to shake things up, with all kinds of weird symptoms.
Goodluck, let us know if and how things get better.

[Peter Stengaard]

I would do a reinstall on a fresh drive...

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

All I can tell you is I've worked with .mov files up to 10-12 minutes without a problem. But I can imagine a 6 GB file might cause the ram usage part of Logic to shake things up, with all kinds of weird symptoms.
Goodluck, let us know if and how things get better.

Thanks for the support! I used to run pretty big files in Logic 7 before I "Upgraded". Not as big though, maybe around 2-300 MB, that kinda worked. Well, I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
Take care//O

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by Peter Stengaard

I would do a reinstall on a fresh drive...

Yeah, sure, I hear you. Only thing is, It's brand new, everything was just installed, no extras, pretty stripped down.
Not really keen on doing it right now, especially since it seems to be a pretty common issue. I'll try the 64-bit mode first and see what happens...

[mardyk]

It's a well known problem. Logic 9.1.7 and maybe as early as 9.1.4 on Lion 10.7.4 is problematic. Working in piano roll and the sample editor will randomly crash logic.
If your working in Piano roll, all your little blobs will disappear. Or in the Sample editor, working with transient markers, same thing, everything disappears. Now if you try to do anything everything turns white.
I did discover however, that when this happens, if you immediately hit cmd S before you do anything usually logic will save and open up right where you left off. If you do anything, even move a cursor, you're screwed.
I've been plagued by this for months. Then someone suggested I should try 64 bit and now all seems good.

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by mardyk

It's a well known problem. Logic 9.1.7 and maybe as early as 9.1.4 on Lion 10.7.4 is problematic. Working in piano roll and the sample editor will randomly crash logic.
If your working in Piano roll, all your little blobs will disappear. Or in the Sample editor, working with transient markers, same thing, everything disappears. Now if you try to do anything everything turns white.
I did discover however, that when this happens, if you immediately hit cmd S before you do anything usually logic will save and open up right where you left off. If you do anything, even move a cursor, you're screwed.
I've been plagued by this for months. Then someone suggested I should try 64 bit and now all seems good.

Ok, so...64-bit it is then...!

[mardyk]

Do it!

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by mardyk

Do it!

You bet!

[sbackdoor]

Originally Posted by mardyk

It's a well known problem. Logic 9.1.7 and maybe as early as 9.1.4 on Lion 10.7.4 is problematic. Working in piano roll and the sample editor will randomly crash logic.
If your working in Piano roll, all your little blobs will disappear. Or in the Sample editor, working with transient markers, same thing, everything disappears. Now if you try to do anything everything turns white.
I did discover however, that when this happens, if you immediately hit cmd S before you do anything usually logic will save and open up right where you left off. If you do anything, even move a cursor, you're screwed.
I've been plagued by this for months. Then someone suggested I should try 64 bit and now all seems good.

I work on the latest Lion and latest Logic, but I have none of those problems. Sorry to hear it's working bad for you. Good thing it's better in 64 bit!

[valis]

I use 64bit myself, maybe why I haven't seen these issues? I'm on 10.7.4 & 9.1.7 on a 2008 Mac Pro & 2007 MBP.

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

I work on the latest Lion and latest Logic, but I have none of those problems. Sorry to hear it's working bad for you. Good thing it's better in 64 bit!

Ok, good for you!!
What computer are you using?

Edit: so, I assume you are runnning 64 bit?

[sbackdoor]

Originally Posted by oscar_wonderboy

Ok, good for you!!
What computer are you using?

Edit: so, I assume you are runnning 64 bit?

Nope, still 32 bit here.
I use an early 2008 MacPro (Xeon) dual quad 2.8
Ram 10 GB.

I do have occasional unexplained crashes but nothing unworkable.

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

Nope, still 32 bit here.
I use an early 2008 MacPro (Xeon) dual quad 2.8
Ram 10 GB.

I do have occasional unexplained crashes but nothing unworkable.

Ok, I see. Thanks for the info. Maybe it´s a hardware thing as well...who knows. Trying 64bit today, see what happens.
best/O

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by oscar_wonderboy

Ok, I see. Thanks for the info. Maybe it´s a hardware thing as well...who knows. Trying 64bit today, see what happens.
best/O

Switched to 64-bit yesterday. Seems better! Let's wait another couple of days before drawing any conclusions though...

[oscar_wonderboy]

Yup! Now it works pretty ok. 64-bit it is!

[Tui]

Pretty bad show from Apple, though. This sort of thing is not supposed to happen.

I won't be touching Lion with a bargepole, so much is certain. SL works brilliantly here.

[sbackdoor]

Originally Posted by oscar_wonderboy

Yup! Now it works pretty ok. 64-bit it is!

Hey Oscar,

does the 64 bit Logic do .mov files yet then?

[oscar_wonderboy]

Originally Posted by sbackdoor

Hey Oscar,

does the 64 bit Logic do .mov files yet then?

If you mean exporting to video, no...

But the, quite easy, workaround is to bounce the master, then reboot Logic in 32-bit and import the file to a new session and export to video.

Since Logic boots extremely fast it´s not a huge problem.
But it´s not perfect...if you know what I mean...

[sbackdoor]

Ah yes that was it. OK so you can load movies nonetheless and do your work. Great!

[mardyk]

Since the crashes are pretty much only occurring when working in piano roll and sample editor, couldn't you just open the project in 32-bit and bounce it? Regular mix work and bouncing doesn't produce these crashes as far as I recall.

[skudio]

Originally Posted by mardyk

This seems to be quite common problem with this combination. As far as I can tell it's not present if you run logic in 64-bit mode. Either that or roll back to Snow Leopard if you can. I use logic in 64 bit mode on my home MBP with lion and 32-bit on my studio MP running Snow Leopard. The 32-bit bridge is a bit of a pita but at least Logic doesn't crash or hang.

I've also been quite regularly getting the "white screen of death" on Logic 8, ever since moving to Lion. So, perhaps Lion is the common denominator.

[basmartin]

I upgraded from Lion to Mountain Lion and I really recommend any user that still is on Lion to upgrade. ML is more optimised and there is a few bugs still, but nothing major that makes the system crash or so.

[stuartyeadon]

With any luck it seems to me the update 10.7.5 fixes this white screen of death issue. Managed to run logic in 32-bit all day without problems.

My thoughts are the updated nvidia graphics drivers in the update remedy the problem since the GUI would glitch out rather than audio.

Hopefully this helps. Finally, I recommend installing the combo update from the link below and not use software update:


OS X Lion Update 10.7.5 (Client Combo)

Best of luck,
Stu

[manowar84]

no problem here, seems and hardware failure...

have you tried to do a memtest and hd test? I think it is really important.

[mardyk]

Fwiw, this problem seems to have disappeared on ML 10.8.2