Moving from Reason to DAW

[Saltcreek]

I was watching a recent video of Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo who is doing numerous soundtracks for TV and Movies and he was using Logic 7 or 8 which surprised me. I think it is very easy for many of us myself included to spend incredible amounts of time trying to get the latest greatest piece of software rather than creating music.

I use Logic 9 and now Reason 6.5 to create music. I also have Ableton Live which a lot of Electronic Musicians are using. I think a lot of your decision should be which software style fits your workflow best.

I also use Vienna Ensemble on my PC linked to my mac for expanding my synths and sample playback. It works really well.

For Soundtracks, Logic 9 will work great for you, and the price is hard to beat. I am enjoying rewiring Reason with Logic. I really like the blocks mode in Reason for creating quick variations on a theme.

[Rakrum]

I agree, I'm spending too much time caught up in the "how" and not getting enough done. So I'm trying to unload all my gear, and get back to composing. But ultimately, I still need to produce sound to deliver.

I am quitting the electronica biz (for now...) and returning to my classical roots. So I no longer need/want my microkorg, maschine, reason, and possibly my monitors (I'm fine with my K240s).

Logic does seem the logical choice, especially given the price, but my mac is a hack and I do have a PC in my 'recording' studio space (my osx is in my 'production' space, i.e. my bedroom) And I would think that using just 1 software would be better so I don't have to learn 2 daws (I record my own cello parts, some classical guitar, hand percussion, etc etc. No multi tracking needed, but I guess most DAWs multitrack anyway these days...)

Would I be best to get Logic for $200 then for recording, bounce a mix to mp3, take it to my other studio, record cello on top in reaper or live8, then put the new track into logic and mix it in?

Anyone with an objective opinion have a better solution?

[Rakrum]

I got the trial for Cubase 6, and so far I can envision it being workable (doesn't feel so friendly, like Reason or Logic - instead of "touch me" it feels like it's saying "Ok, there are rules here. RTFM. Good luck, boys!" which is ... eh... but I'll look into some video tutorials and such, see what happens.

In the meantime, can anyone give some feedback on Digital Performer? I read in a thread here for someone doing post work upgrading from GB it was recommended along with ProTools, but he had no interest in composition, just voice overs and post. But would it be good for someone like me?

I ask because, from what I can see, there is no trial for it, and I can't find many videos even, so it's hard to drop money (even for the competitive cross grade) on sight unseen.

[egoEgo]

Hi Rakrum!
I think that selling Reason - big mistake!
For your purposes it is necessary to carry out the purchase of additional equipment.
Here is his description:
http://www.solidstatelogic.com/music/xlogic%20mx4/

This is a very powerful combination. This is much stronger than Cubase or Logic or others in this class.
This combination will allow you to use this digital console SSL, you can configure to your own discretion!
You will be able to use the VST.
* This combination has very little latency, and latency compensation.
Imagine for a moment: Excellent innovative plug-ins and instruments Reason 6 in conjunction with Waves Mercury 9 native ... When you hear the work GTR in conjunction with recorded on Reason recorder live guitars , you will realize that the future is now.
Good luck!

* W7-64 & 2 socket R PC+SSD ONLY for best results ( http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTER...mpTo=OfferList ) . I use old Mac Pro 8Core with W7...

[offki]

Demo Studio One, very easy to use and learn. Although if you have a Mac, you should probably just get Logic and accept the slower learning curve, it's cheaper and comes with far better stock plug ins.

I wouldn't sell Reason though.

[Rakrum]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think I would regret getting rid of reason. I even love the forums <3 PUF

BUT I need some stuff, and it's like that's one more thing I'm not using right now, so it could be liquidated... If I had a daw (like Logic or Studio One) why would I need Reason? Malstrom? (I think I have an old copy of Reason 2.5 that has Malstrom in it )

But really, what I need is scoring support (composing with playback, not only printing, I know I can export midi and bring it into Muse or Finale or whatever and print.) and ORCHESTRAL SOUNDS. Like all of them. For film, game, any sync, whatever. The problem with Reason is the sampler, I think. The NNXT (while I love it, and have made my own patches from other synths bringing files in, etc) it must be somehow extremely limited - otherwise we would have seen a violin patch AT LEAST as good as the FREE on that comes with Komplete 8 players (or maybe it was Komplete Elements.... Either way!)

I probably will end up getting Logic 9 (and the next day X will come out.... I'm sure of it...) but does anyone here have experience with Digital Performer? I'm quite interested, especially since it's about to go cross platform... (and I saw the NAMM video and all the guitar pedals and such, it looked a lot like the logic stock plugs. Looks quite comparable to logic. Pay extra for cross platform? Ok....)

[Rakrum]

Wow, any thread when I bring up Digital Performer, the thread dies. Instantly.

I figured since MOTU announced windows on DP8 people would get interested... It doesn't seem like people hate it like Behringer, so what gives? Does nobody use it?

I only want to know because there's no demo, and I can't even find any real youtube videos that show what the workflow would be like...

[Scoox]

Originally Posted by Rakrum

Wow, any thread when I bring up Digital Performer, the thread dies. Instantly.

I figured since MOTU announced windows on DP8 people would get interested... It doesn't seem like people hate it like Behringer, so what gives? Does nobody use it?

I only want to know because there's no demo, and I can't even find any real youtube videos that show what the workflow would be like...

Heck Motu don't even publish a pdf manual for DP! At least that's what they told me last time I phoned them. They said it was to discourage piracy.

May I add that pdf manuals have many benefits over printed manuals:

• Protects the environment by not having to cut trees
• Can be updated easily to keep up with software updates
• Less stuff to carry around with you
• If lost or damaged you can download it again
• And the most important thing: IT IS A SEARCHABLE DOCUMENT

Since the guys at Motu couldn't realise the above points, I can only conclude that their software will be a bagful of oversights, certainly not worth spending hundreds of pounds on just to "test the water".

Inevitably Digital Performer is and will forever be in the dark. Without a publicly available user manual and no demo it has signed its own death warrant. Even the idiots who run Steinberg realised (rather late) that a demo was essential to Cubase's survival. We are not in the 90s where you'd go to the shop and test and buy the software. So my advice is: don't buy DP, I foresee trouble and zero support. Instead, get Presonus Studio One: demo available, manuals can be downloaded, amazing workflow, amazing support, amazing user forum. I also recommend REAPER, which is not for everyone but is one of the most flexible DAWs out there.

[phas3d]

I know you mentioned a cross platform DAW, but since you have a Mac Logic interacts with Reason in rewrire pretty well. You can use both softs easily.

[jang318]

looking for reason 6 from anyone looking to change up to another DAW.
i have 5, studio1,protools 8 and logic pro 7 (the logic i'm trying to get rid of).
any takers?

[jang318]

Originally Posted by Rakrum

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think I would regret getting rid of reason. I even love the forums <3 PUF

BUT I need some stuff, and it's like that's one more thing I'm not using right now, so it could be liquidated... If I had a daw (like Logic or Studio One) why would I need Reason? Malstrom? (I think I have an old copy of Reason 2.5 that has Malstrom in it )

But really, what I need is scoring support (composing with playback, not only printing, I know I can export midi and bring it into Muse or Finale or whatever and print.) and ORCHESTRAL SOUNDS. Like all of them. For film, game, any sync, whatever. The problem with Reason is the sampler, I think. The NNXT (while I love it, and have made my own patches from other synths bringing files in, etc) it must be somehow extremely limited - otherwise we would have seen a violin patch AT LEAST as good as the FREE on that comes with Komplete 8 players (or maybe it was Komplete Elements.... Either way!)

I probably will end up getting Logic 9 (and the next day X will come out.... I'm sure of it...) but does anyone here have experience with Digital Performer? I'm quite interested, especially since it's about to go cross platform... (and I saw the NAMM video and all the guitar pedals and such, it looked a lot like the logic stock plugs. Looks quite comparable to logic. Pay extra for cross platform? Ok....)

[jang318]

i have logic pro 7 with all books, disc and usb key if interested.
looking to add reason 6 to my setup which currently include reason 5,studio one,sonar x1 and protools 8le. (reason and studio one get all my attention just never got around to installing logic so it can go

[Dbas]

Just get Cubase and rewire into it:

Propellerhead - ReWire Help - Cubase

[Rakrum]

Forgot this thread existed! I'm on Logic 9 now and fine enough (workflow is not nearly as fast as Reason, but the mixer flexibility is nice, and so is Komplete...) If only decent keyboards would work ootb with Logic! Fighting right now with an MPK61 - I may yet send this keyboard back... (tried novation impulse/mkii and sent them both back already...)

[outcastrising]

Go back to Reason and get the Nektar Panorama P4 and Balance.
LOVING that setup here. The integration and ease of use is OUT OF THIS WORLD

[Divercity]

Rewire is the way to go.

I use Ableton+Reason and I find it really is the perfect workflow. You never have to ditch one for the other....Get the best of both worlds.

[phas3d]

Originally Posted by Rakrum

Forgot this thread existed! I'm on Logic 9 now and fine enough (workflow is not nearly as fast as Reason, but the mixer flexibility is nice, and so is Komplete...) If only decent keyboards would work ootb with Logic! Fighting right now with an MPK61 - I may yet send this keyboard back... (tried novation impulse/mkii and sent them both back already...)

As for workflow try to watch some online videos from Macprovideo. They're pretty good. There's the apple courseware book with a DVD with all the lessons there and you can always do the course if you like.
Novation keyboards usually work well. Just remember to install automap.