Originally Posted by Clonkified
True you can have both, but my question was do you need both or does one replace the other for the most part (especially with the help of things like LPC)?
Well, for me Maschine has entirely replaced Ableton Live for production duties. And for mixing and finishing up, I vastly prefer a proper DAW like Logic anyway and it couldn't be any easier to just export my arrangement from Maschine and drag straight into Logic.
Maschine is all about the close integration and the hands-on workflow. Using Live and Launchpad/APC40 still doesn't quite come close to those aspects of Maschine, even with custom scripts, as it will lack the total integration like Maschine which allows you to be mouse-free and even lets you turn off the computer screen if you want to.
Part of the beauty and workflow feel of Maschine is the disconnected feel it allows for. It gives you that focused feel by allowing to work so well from a centralized point with minimal deviation. Live + Launchpad/APC40 will still force you to click around with the mouse/trackpad quite a bit. The close integration between Maschine's hardware controller and its software allows it to have the hands-on workflow previously only found on standalone hardware that you just can't get with any other MIDI controller.
And there's actually a long list of what Maschine offers that you can't really do in Live. Here's a big one: You can't record real-time modulation (as in record your knob tweaks) in Live's Session View clips. Maschine has its own version of session view with scenes and clips with the huge advantage of being able to record modulation of almost everything as you turn the knobs in real-time.
Also, you can't do any of the following with Live only while looking at a controller no matter what controller you use: browsing/loading samples, navigating, sampling, slicing, zooming in and out of waveforms, applying dsp audio edits, opening/saving projects...etc. Maschine can do all of that just from the dedicated controller because of the way it's designed. Maschine has two LCD displays on the hardware itself that shows the names for the controls and things like actual waveforms, so you don't have to look at the computer screen at all if you don't want to. Even with something like the APC40, you're not going to get the level of visual feedback that you get on Maschine's dual displays showing device/parameter names and values anywhere else. This is also why Maschine excels as a general purpose MIDI controller due to the ability to customize the names of parameters and see what you're controlling directly on the hardware's displays. These little things do add up to a very unique experience that can feel like you're using hardware.
Maschine just goes way further in terms of the software/hardware relationship. For example, the 'undo' function. In Live, this is a keyboard shortcut. In Maschine it's on the hardware (via a 'shift + pad' combo) Now, you COULD map the 'undo' keyboard command to a MIDI controller in Live, but you'd need Bomes or some other layer of additional software to achieve it. And this is just the undo function: there are more complex operations available from the Maschine hardware that is just not possible in Live right now, although touchAble on iPad gets the closest in terms of total mouseless control of Live.
Live also doesn't have Maschine's tactile hardware x0x step sequencer with full visual feedback through backlit pads and dual displays, and its own version of Machinedrum-style step parameter locks. Irreplaceable for experimenting and coming up with stuff you would have never come up with otherwise.
Also Maschine lets you loop single or multiple scenes easily (and entirely from the dedicated hardware of course) which is like if Live could do Follow Action for scenes not just clips.
And Maschine's plugin automapping implementation effectively turns any VST/AU plugin instantly into hardware and is much more elegantly implemented and useful than what any MIDI controller is capable of. And if you have anything from Komplete 8 (Maschine comes with Komplete Elements for free), the integration is even closer.