waves ssl g-eq or uad neve 1073?

mikeslaps · 12th June 2006, 08:27 PM

im looking for someone who has used both and can tell me which has better sound... anyone?

StaticStudios · 12th June 2006, 10:56 PM

they each have there own sound. One is not "better " then the other, just different

What is the sound you are looking for ?

popkid · 12th June 2006, 11:27 PM

I´m sort of interested in this as well. Not which one is better, but if someone could put into words the differences in sound between them.

For me, I have UAD Pultec and all of the URS, so Im looking for something different. I think the biggest problem with plugs is the high end. I find the URS fulltec and UAD pultec usefull but wouldnt say "no" to something better...

Dont mean to hijack this thread, just keep it alive...

redroom · 13th June 2006, 12:14 AM

I have the UAD with all the optional plugs except the neve and I also have the Pco with the Oxford plugs alongside the URS A series Fulltec and the tritone Hydratone and colortone.For me nothign does what the waves E strip can do especially with drums I love how it can be really aggresive which was somethign I was finding hard to achieve when using plugs.

kingofswing · 13th June 2006, 01:29 AM

Im quite liking the UAD Neve EQ. I have found some settings that really get me the kind of sound that i always looking for, especially on drums.

I love the mids on this eq. I wish i could run them on all my channels.

The Plug may not sound exactly like the real thing, but its one of the best plugin EQ's that i have come across.

Revelation · 13th June 2006, 03:29 AM

UAD Neve is just an EQ while the Waves SSL is a channel strip, EQ and mastering compressor. Neve is weighter, adding more fullness to your mix with a little color. The SSL has less color, but is more flexible with all the shelf and filter options. I bought the Waves SSL and love it. Read my review. http://www.eqmag.com/story.asp?storycode=14436 I then tried the UAD Neve and like it, however I don't need it. With the Waves SSL, Waves Ren package, and UAD Cambridge and Pultec, I have enough flavors for EQ. But I can't knock the UAD Neve, it's a good sounding EQ.

Trailerman · 14th June 2006, 07:30 PM

Ok - I'll stick my neck out.

UA Neve 1073 is the best emulation of a hardware EQ I have heard so far. I did extensive comparisons with the URS Neve EQ (TDM double precision), and the UA EQ was significantly better. I don't mean small margins either - the top in particular is in a league of it's own, extremely focused and present, without in any way being smeared. The URS by comparison sounded distant and smeary when you boosted the top end. The lows on the UA were less boomy, more round and warm, and the mids were punchier - not as dramatic a difference as with the tops, but still noticable.

Personally I've never particularly liked SSL console EQ, so the Neve would always be a better choice, but that's just my humble opinion. I think the Waves SSL bundle sounds good, but not sufficiently better than the URS or McDSP SSL emulations to justify buying it, plus I have a BIG problem with WUP.

Just my view.

Jules

redroom · 14th June 2006, 07:47 PM

I caved in and bought the UAD neve and love it however I really dig the Waves SSL E strip especially the dynamics you can get things to really smack.

Benmrx · 15th June 2006, 08:14 AM

slightly off-topic. anyone here running these plugs in PTLE? I'm curious if the Waves SSL has any latency....I.E., can you easily use it for parallel processing or with mult-mic'd drums without having to put the same plug on every track.

I downloaded the demos for the URS neve eq and 1980 comp, and neither induce any latency at all, which makes the urs stuff really easy to work with.

I've heard most of the waves stuff has about 64 samples of delay in PTLE, but maybe the SSL bundle is different?

nyfrequencies · 15th June 2006, 08:45 AM

It's all pretty much the same in the end right? If one processor has a poor high end you make up for it in your setting. Ie boosting 15k instead of 10k?For me It comes down to color with the model or how the processing "filters" the audio. Dark, warm,brittle are the words my clients always use. The UAD1 card creates a certain amount of warmth and clarity bacause of an emulated "tube" ic on the circiut board. I think the URS plugs really missed the boat but the Waves 4K is awsome. SIt back and strap the bus compressor on your wimpy mix or put an Gseries eq on a BFD kik.

**TonyBelmont** · 15th June 2006, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyfrequencies

The UAD1 card creates a certain amount of warmth and clarity bacause of an emulated "tube" ic on the circiut board.

Dude, that was an April Fool's joke.... There are no microtubes on the UAD.

rhythmmaster · 16th June 2006, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Dude, that was an April Fool's joke.... There are no microtubes on the UAD.

so that nice tube glow coming from my tower isn't the UAD alve.............damn

The SSL plugs are very nice indeed. Bus comp sounds better than anything. Not too sure about the top end of the EQ, need to do more work with it i think

azwun25 · 16th June 2006, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Dude, that was an April Fool's joke.... There are no microtubes on the UAD.

lol...thats funny

Sirocco · 16th June 2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythmmaster

so that nice tube glow coming from my tower isn't the UAD alve.............damn

The SSL plugs are very nice indeed. Bus comp sounds better than anything. Not too sure about the top end of the EQ, need to do more work with it i think

cant let you get away that easily.

owned!

Seifer · 16th June 2006, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyfrequencies

It's all pretty much the same in the end right? If one processor has a poor high end you make up for it in your setting. Ie boosting 15k instead of 10k?For me It comes down to color with the model or how the processing "filters" the audio. Dark, warm,brittle are the words my clients always use. The UAD1 card creates a certain amount of warmth and clarity bacause of an emulated "tube" ic on the circiut board. I think the URS plugs really missed the boat but the Waves 4K is awsome. SIt back and strap the bus compressor on your wimpy mix or put an Gseries eq on a BFD kik.

hahaha

I'm quitting the internet

StrykeBack · 22nd June 2006, 10:25 PM

and here i was going to stay away from waves since the wup came into effect but perhaps i'l give in for the ssl e channel. i love that thing and it makes tracking in the box (only in desperate times ofcourse) so much easier.

I was going to grab the urs plugins but might grab one of these uad cards now. toobad my g5 needs pci express otherwise i'd be grabbing up the cheaper pci cards on ebay.

What do you guys think. the flexi propack or whatever it is for a grand with the 750 rebate...or buy 2 cards for double the power and have 200 dollars in rebates...why could they give these things more power!!!

h4nc0 · 22nd June 2006, 10:46 PM

Waves SSL = punchy
UA 1073 = fat

to my ears.

StrykeBack · 24th June 2006, 09:36 PM

I'm probably going to end up owning both of these but i got a quick question since i've read that theres problems running the uad card on setups that don't have delay compensation...and ofcourse it has to be my PT LE setup that doesn't have it. Does it present a problem in mixing?

I'm used to having to readjust the timing of some of my drum tracks before i buss them and do the squashing of a drum submix thing but other then that haven't had any issues with the compensation. Any to watch out for with the uad? I'm going down to west la music later this week to demo both sets out hopefully on a mix i'm used to and i'l see which is working better for me, plus they need to get some pci express cards in

Mind-Over-Midi · 24th June 2006, 10:46 PM

Both.

mogWai · 24th June 2006, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrykeBack

and here i was going to stay away from waves since the wup came into effect but perhaps i'l give in for the ssl e channel. i love that thing and it makes tracking in the box (only in desperate times ofcourse) so much easier.

I was going to grab the urs plugins but might grab one of these uad cards now. toobad my g5 needs pci express otherwise i'd be grabbing up the cheaper pci cards on ebay.

What do you guys think. the flexi propack or whatever it is for a grand with the 750 rebate...or buy 2 cards for double the power and have 200 dollars in rebates...why could they give these things more power!!!

Yea - a Project Pak AND a Flexi Pack. Maximum power. maximum rebate

I only have 1 UAD1 card at the mo, and there is no way really that I can justify the Neve EQ WITHOUT a new card to go with it

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12th June 2006, 08:27 PM	#1
mikeslaps Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 5	waves ssl g-eq or uad neve 1073? im looking for someone who has used both and can tell me which has better sound... anyone?

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nyfrequencies Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ny Posts: 7	Hi Mid Low It's all pretty much the same in the end right? If one processor has a poor high end you make up for it in your setting. Ie boosting 15k instead of 10k?For me It comes down to color with the model or how the processing "filters" the audio. Dark, warm,brittle are the words my clients always use. The UAD1 card creates a certain amount of warmth and clarity bacause of an emulated "tube" ic on the circiut board. I think the URS plugs really missed the boat but the Waves 4K is awsome. SIt back and strap the bus compressor on your wimpy mix or put an Gseries eq on a BFD kik.

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12th June 2006, 11:27 PM	#3
popkid Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 95	I´m sort of interested in this as well. Not which one is better, but if someone could put into words the differences in sound between them. For me, I have UAD Pultec and all of the URS, so Im looking for something different. I think the biggest problem with plugs is the high end. I find the URS fulltec and UAD pultec usefull but wouldnt say "no" to something better... Dont mean to hijack this thread, just keep it alive...

13th June 2006, 12:14 AM	#4
redroom Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 1,169	I have the UAD with all the optional plugs except the neve and I also have the Pco with the Oxford plugs alongside the URS A series Fulltec and the tritone Hydratone and colortone.For me nothign does what the waves E strip can do especially with drums I love how it can be really aggresive which was somethign I was finding hard to achieve when using plugs.

13th June 2006, 01:29 AM	#5
kingofswing Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 939	Im quite liking the UAD Neve EQ. I have found some settings that really get me the kind of sound that i always looking for, especially on drums. I love the mids on this eq. I wish i could run them on all my channels. The Plug may not sound exactly like the real thing, but its one of the best plugin EQ's that i have come across.

13th June 2006, 03:29 AM	#6
Revelation Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,131	UAD Neve is just an EQ while the Waves SSL is a channel strip, EQ and mastering compressor. Neve is weighter, adding more fullness to your mix with a little color. The SSL has less color, but is more flexible with all the shelf and filter options. I bought the Waves SSL and love it. Read my review. http://www.eqmag.com/story.asp?storycode=14436 I then tried the UAD Neve and like it, however I don't need it. With the Waves SSL, Waves Ren package, and UAD Cambridge and Pultec, I have enough flavors for EQ. But I can't knock the UAD Neve, it's a good sounding EQ.

14th June 2006, 07:30 PM	#7
Trailerman Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 152	Ok - I'll stick my neck out. UA Neve 1073 is the best emulation of a hardware EQ I have heard so far. I did extensive comparisons with the URS Neve EQ (TDM double precision), and the UA EQ was significantly better. I don't mean small margins either - the top in particular is in a league of it's own, extremely focused and present, without in any way being smeared. The URS by comparison sounded distant and smeary when you boosted the top end. The lows on the UA were less boomy, more round and warm, and the mids were punchier - not as dramatic a difference as with the tops, but still noticable. Personally I've never particularly liked SSL console EQ, so the Neve would always be a better choice, but that's just my humble opinion. I think the Waves SSL bundle sounds good, but not sufficiently better than the URS or McDSP SSL emulations to justify buying it, plus I have a BIG problem with WUP. Just my view. Jules

14th June 2006, 07:47 PM	#8
redroom Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 1,169	I caved in and bought the UAD neve and love it however I really dig the Waves SSL E strip especially the dynamics you can get things to really smack.

15th June 2006, 08:14 AM	#9
Benmrx Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,696	slightly off-topic. anyone here running these plugs in PTLE? I'm curious if the Waves SSL has any latency....I.E., can you easily use it for parallel processing or with mult-mic'd drums without having to put the same plug on every track. I downloaded the demos for the URS neve eq and 1980 comp, and neither induce any latency at all, which makes the urs stuff really easy to work with. I've heard most of the waves stuff has about 64 samples of delay in PTLE, but maybe the SSL bundle is different?

22nd June 2006, 10:25 PM	#16
StrykeBack Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 507	and here i was going to stay away from waves since the wup came into effect but perhaps i'l give in for the ssl e channel. i love that thing and it makes tracking in the box (only in desperate times ofcourse) so much easier. I was going to grab the urs plugins but might grab one of these uad cards now. toobad my g5 needs pci express otherwise i'd be grabbing up the cheaper pci cards on ebay. What do you guys think. the flexi propack or whatever it is for a grand with the 750 rebate...or buy 2 cards for double the power and have 200 dollars in rebates...why could they give these things more power!!!

22nd June 2006, 10:46 PM	#17
h4nc0 Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seoul, Korea Posts: 253	Waves SSL = punchy UA 1073 = fat to my ears.

24th June 2006, 09:36 PM	#18
StrykeBack Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 507	I'm probably going to end up owning both of these but i got a quick question since i've read that theres problems running the uad card on setups that don't have delay compensation...and ofcourse it has to be my PT LE setup that doesn't have it. Does it present a problem in mixing? I'm used to having to readjust the timing of some of my drum tracks before i buss them and do the squashing of a drum submix thing but other then that haven't had any issues with the compensation. Any to watch out for with the uad? I'm going down to west la music later this week to demo both sets out hopefully on a mix i'm used to and i'l see which is working better for me, plus they need to get some pci express cards in

24th June 2006, 10:46 PM	#19
Mind-Over-Midi Lives for gear Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 986	Both.