When logic fails, reason prevails

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by apoclypse

I think he meant sample Libs. A lot of sample pack producers make refills or support Reason sample instrument format (not rex, rex is for loops, chopped samples not for sampled instruments which is what he seems to be getting at if I'm not mistaken). Some refills out there are pretty great, you can check out Propellerheads own libraries. However at this point there is no support for Kontakt or other sampled formats in Reason. One would hope with Rack Extensions that NI would make a custom Kontakt player for Reason, which would be awesome.

As for Logic. It's been far more stable over the last few years than its been in the past but a lot of issues with stability for Logic has a lot to do with the hack job some VST developers do when porting to AU. Reaktor is a very iffy plugin for me. It seems to crash Logic more than nay other plugin I have on my system. That's not say that Logic doesn't have other issues which are pain. The system overload and harddisk too slow errors are stupidly annoying. Especially when no other application on my system seems to have any issues running. No amount of preferences purging or settings gets rid of this issue for me.

Got it! Thanks for the sample library explanation!

[LeafInTheWind]

Hi! Thanks for the reason clarification

I also have the same experience as apoclypse - Logic is on the whole "stable", the last time I had it crash was due to a 3rd party plugin.

[slovo]

It's nice that you like Reason and all, but do you really have to cheerlead every other post? I mean, fanboy much?

I like the recent changes, they seem good. I'm, not really excited about re-buying all my VSTs though. I think I will be waiting a long time before switching back to Reason.

[filipv]

Originally Posted by dosilegecko

Grouping and bussing is a bit of a pain

Funny, I find grouping and bussing to be the easiest thing to do in Reason, much easier than in any other daw.

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by KevWest

I've heard mixed stories about Logic. Almost bought a Mac and went that route but decided against it because I am so comfortable on Windows

Yea I use cubase 6.5 as my main daw only because of my uad2 cards.

I almost jumped for the uad satellite to run on my imac,but $899 for dsp power is stupid IMHO.

So I traded in a one of my uad1 cards for a $200 uad2 card(i still have 2 left)(ill just trash them).

I'm hoping uad second trade in promo is for vouchers!.

But logic is still my favorite daw,so in the end,I can get a 2009-2010 MAC PRO(8 or 12 core)and through my 2 uad2 cards in it!.

That $800 will go to a MAC PRO if need be.

But logic x will need Melodyne style pitch shift and a few more things and I'm sold.

One of my 'beat makers' totally kill using fruit loops!that and REASON slave to logic and cubase just find.

Replacing them with reason would mean I couldn't use my beloved uad ampex 102(dear god).

Ampex,Vcc,Uad neve channel strip,uad precision khz, uad P.Lmiter,kontakt,emulator 3x and many other Plugins keep me away from reasons.

Now if I was a cheap mofo that bought $400 reasons 13 years ago and nothing else,then I would a idiot?

The more tools you use,the more opportunities you have to learn!

Some people are happy with reasons and fruity loops!

But they are the same cats that know nothing else:(sorry but its true...

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by FLYINGJAY

Yea I use cubase 6.5 as my main daw only because of my uad2 cards.

I almost jumped for the uad satellite to run on my imac,but $899 for dsp power is stupid IMHO.

So I traded in a one of my uad1 cards for a $200 uad2 card(i still have 2 left)(ill just trash them).

I'm hoping uad second trade in promo is for vouchers!.

But logic is still my favorite daw,so in the end,I can get a 2009-2010 MAC PRO(8 or 12 core)and through my 2 uad2 cards in it!.

That $800 will go to a MAC PRO if need be.

But logic x will need Melodyne style pitch shift and a few more things and I'm sold.

One of my 'beat makers' totally kill using fruit loops!that and REASON slave to logic and cubase just find.

Replacing them with reason would mean I couldn't use my beloved uad ampex 102(dear god).

Ampex,Vcc,Uad neve channel strip,uad precision khz, uad P.Lmiter,kontakt,emulator 3x and many other Plugins keep me away from reasons.

Now if I was a cheap mofo that bought $400 reasons 13 years ago and nothing else,then I would a idiot?

The more tools you use,the more opportunities you have to learn!

Some people are happy with reasons and fruity loops!

But they are the same cats that know nothing else:(sorry but its true...

Sent from my PC36100 using Gearslutz App

Not true at all though in all cases. Example I have been using Reason for almost 10 years I know it better than any piece of production gear period but I can jump on most workstation keyboards and get something going quickly. I can open a lot of different plug ins and get going fairly quickly too. The tools don't mean a lot its about understanding how to produce music within the limitations you have in front of you because everything has some sort of limitation even if you do not feel limited. I have a lot of plug ins that I like but if you took them all away tomorrow and I only had Reason I would still crank out good music in Reason because I understand how to produce music the other stuff is just for the sake of variety

[alphaproject]

Reason never crashed on me once. However...since they don't have vsti's, that's prolly part of why it's so stable.

Cubase 5 for me is stable if I tend to stick to one type of vst..say Kontakt 5 and a few synths that are the same, but if I start adding in a whole mess of vsti's it seems some crash it instantly. But...if I use the same synth that crashed it first....it doesn't crash...strange things.

Reason 5 was a blast for sounds but since I've gathered up so many Kontakt instruments and vsti's I just don't need the extra sounds...I've already got enough sounds but it also comes down to being lazy. I have to save 2 files if I use Reason and Cubase. One for Cubase, then I have to name something for Reason unless I bounce them down to audio right away...which I usually don't do until I HAVE to.

[theblue1]

Just had to drop into this thread to give props to a great title.

That's all, folks.

[KorgAddict]

Originally Posted by theblue1

Just had to drop into this thread to give props to a great title.

That's all, folks.

And that would make one hell of a slogan for a Propellerhead marketing campaign, provided they wouldn't mind a letter from Apple Legal dept.

KA

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by KorgAddict

And that would make one hell of a slogan for a Propellerhead marketing campaign, provided they wouldn't mind a letter from Apple Legal dept.

KA

i know and with the 5.000.000 iPhone's money, that letter would be hard to beat

[AlfieProducer]

Reason 6.5 is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I wish I had the energy to write down all the reasons why, but here are a few off the top of my head:

1) In 7 years of using Reason, it has never ONCE crashed on me. I'm not exaggerating. And I'm talking highly intricate dance/pop music with upwards of 70 tracks.

2) SSL channel strip on every mix channel. I thank God every day for this lol. It is just amazing. If I put the Waves SSL strip on every track in Ableton, my computer would explode!

3) You can wire all the devices to each other manually. This is not only tons of fun, but also a huge plus because there is always a work-around if you have problems with something. Basically, anything that Reason lacks, you can build yourself (with few exceptions).

4) The layout is really colorful and fun and gets me excited to make music. I know it sounds corny, but inspiration is a necessity for my craft and I feel the visual stimulation helps.

5) Insanely easy on DSP and processing. I routinely produce songs with 50+ tracks and hundreds of devices and it always runs smooth and easy.

Yes, there are a lot of things they could improve. But Reason is only getting better!

[sameal]

Originally Posted by ersheff

My only hesitation at this point is at what level you can perform high-level destructive audio manipulation in Reason. I often use the reverse, pitch up/down, stretch, etc stuff in Logic on very small chunks of audio. Of course, for the last several months stretching a region almost always causes Logic to crash on me! I'll be downloading the Reason demo soon to try that stuff out.

as a self proclaimed audio destruction specialist i use reason for all my audio wrecking needs and find it to be a great tool for the job.

stack a few processors and things start getting real nasty! infinite delay boxes? is this heaven?

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by sameal

as a self proclaimed audio destruction specialist i use reason for all my audio wrecking needs and find it to be a great tool for the job.

stack a few processors and things start getting real nasty! infinite delay boxes? is this heaven?

+1 pulverizer fanboy here!

[machoboy]

If I could only have one DAW it would be Reason. It does everything decently.

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by machoboy

If I could only have one DAW it would be Reason. It does everything decently.

now ,with reason 7 update,i am seriously considering,to give reason a chance as a main daw,not that i am going to ditch logic,but with this update and the integration between reason and maschine (with the retouch app) as mixer and midi controller,,it's been a lot of fun! i don't know;it is like the passion of a beautiful affair.

[Blast9]

Bummer - I was really excited to check Reason 7 out, but had to uninstall as it was hanging on load-up... and PT9 stopped working!

Could be something to do with Avid Midi drivers apparently - I'm digging around for a solution as we speak

[Jimmy kiddo]

Originally Posted by Blast9

Bummer - I was really excited to check Reason 7 out, but had to uninstall as it was hanging on load-up... and PT9 stopped working!

Could be something to do with Avid Midi drivers apparently - I'm digging around for a solution as we speak

did you ditch the old reason and move the libraries and orchester to another place as they recommend?,

[Blast9]

First time I've used Reason for about 10 years, so this is a fresh installation.

I'll update the Avid drivers to see if that solves the problem.

The only other midi drivers are Line 6 and Mackie Onyx so should be quick to narrow it down if MIDI driver are causing the problem.

[Zoolook]

No VSTs/AUs is still a deal breaker. Did they improve the piano roll yet? Can you adjust the snap?