HELP!- On OS-X Leopard- whether to go to Snow Leo/Lion/Mountain Lion... pros vs cons?

[lesterbanjo]

I have stayed with snowleopard because i heard several people complaining about lion being slower...

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by lesterbanjo

I have stayed with snowleopard because i heard several people complaining about lion being slower...

That's interesting to hear.

As I already stated, I'd rather stay as far behind as possible... the only real reason to move further forward would be a significant increase in speed.... so if that isn't there, then it seems like Snow is the obvious solution for now.

Are you *also* running a Core2Duo??

[greyskull]

Core2duos are toilet on Lion...
Stick to 10.6.8 stable fast, and still running the latest software.

[Simonator]

Originally Posted by greyskull

Core2duos are toilet on Lion...
Stick to 10.6.8 stable fast, and still running the latest software.

Cool... this is good news IMO!

[Llitsor]

I've had no serious issues with 10.7 on my 5 year old C2D iMac. But it's true to say that 10.6 was a little slicker on it. I only upgraded for MobileMe/iCloud reasons.
In fact 10.6 is the most solid, smoothest running version of OS X I have ever used, and I would gladly have stuck with it if I could.
10.7 really isn't bad at all though in my experience. But it's mostly about additional GUI tat which I personally don't care for.

I don't know much about 10.8 yet, other than it being a strictly 64bit OS. So I expect it will perform well. But lets face it, there is going to be a lot of software that simply isn't going to run on it.
I should probably watch that keynote from the other day to see what the full deal is with it. As I'm due a new Mac this year, so it's probably going to have 10.8 on it whether I like it or not.

[Simonator]

Cheers for your input.

Originally Posted by Llitsor

In fact 10.6 is the most solid, smoothest running version of OS X I have ever used, and I would gladly have stuck with it if I could.

I've always rued this loss of Tiger, but I think it's time to give Snow Leopard a chance- Leopard is pretty horrid, finder keeps crashing all the time.

The thing I miss the most was the former quicktime preview... you could hit play, then move to another window... but now if you do that, the preview jumps to whatever you've highlighted.
It also used to be stable... but now frequently crashes finder even if using it ordinarily!

Originally Posted by Llitsor

I'm due a new Mac this year, so it's probably going to have 10.8 on it whether I like it or not.

The version of hardware I have was released in the era of Leo, but came with Snow by the time I purchased it.
Therefore it meant it had the capability to run on Leo even if the firmware tried to stop you from doing this... I was able to install from an older G4!

... But yeah, I think you will have little chance of rocking Snow on a new machine!!

[Goreteks]

Snow Leopard for sure. Still running it on my macbook pro CoreDuo (not C2D). The only person i know who is still on Leopard has all kinds of weird issues with it. I like Lion fine myself (running it on my i7 Imac) but i'd probably still be on Snow Leopard if i could on that machine.

[Llitsor]

Originally Posted by Simonator

I've always rued this loss of Tiger, but I think it's time to give Snow Leopard a chance- Leopard is pretty horrid, finder keeps crashing all the time.

In my experience, 10.6 was definitely a worthy upgrade over 10.5.
10.5 has a lot of the original PPC code embedded in it all over the place, which simply isn't required on an Intel Mac. 10.6 stripped all that out (yet retains Rosseta as an optional install, so any older PPC software you may still have can still run). So if you upgrade, you should notice a good few GB's of space have been saved on your HD. And I'm pretty certain 10.6 generally runs a bit speedier and more solidly than 10.5 too.

[thenoodle]

This is a no-brainer. The upgrade will only be $20. Download an image of it and do a fresh install at some point to see if you like it.

If you don't like it, pop in your grey Snow Leopard install dvd and re-install that.

For only $20, that's what I plan to do. Not that I use my Macs much for anything.

I figure that for $20, I'll be set for awhile for those future Apple software releases that will "require" the newer os.... which you just KNOW is gonna happen even before your hardware is deemed outdated by Cupertino.

Like I say, it's a no-brainer. Apple was gonna zap Snow Leopard users $49 to move to Lion. Good thing I didn't. Now, for $20, I bypass Lion, and go all the way to the next cat version to try out so that I can see what Apple has been up to. Windows 8 is gonna cost me quite a bit more.

[zaxmalloy]

I'm in the same era MBP, CD2 boat but have always run Snow Leopard.

I plan on updating to 8 meg RAM as well - cheap enough to do.

If I have a big project, the fans are definitely racing...and larger projects are harder to manage. Hoping the upgraded RAM helps with all that....

[Jiegel]

I want to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard - does anyone know where I can even find a download of Snow Leopard? It doesn't seem to be available in the Mac Store anymore.

Thanks!

[JFernandez]

Originally Posted by Jiegel

I want to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard - does anyone know where I can even find a download of Snow Leopard? It doesn't seem to be available in the Mac Store anymore.

Thanks!

Go to a apple store they will install it for you.

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by Jiegel

I want to upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard - does anyone know where I can even find a download of Snow Leopard? It doesn't seem to be available in the Mac Store anymore.

Thanks!

Be prepared to go back if you're on Logic 8 - too many problems for me with SL.

[EastWest Lurker]

Originally Posted by dr_Jezz

Be prepared to go back if you're on Logic 8 - too many problems for me with SL.

Nobody with a newer computer should still be on Logic 8. Logic 9 is much better in so many areas, including stability.

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by EastWest Lurker

Nobody with a newer computer should still be on Logic 8. Logic 9 is much better in so many areas, including stability.

Oh help, it's the version police. I just need something that works flawlessly, and given that upgrades made things worse for me and that I have melodyne - mark me up as a nobody. I'll upgrade ONLY when I see an advantage for me thanks.

[EastWest Lurker]

Originally Posted by dr_Jezz

Oh help, it's the version police. I just need something that works flawlessly, and given that upgrades made things worse for me and that I have melodyne - mark me up as a nobody. I'll upgrade ONLY when I see an advantage for me thanks.

NO DAW software works "flawlessly"...none, ....nyet....nada...

Logic 9 is more stable, and less buggy than Logic 8, period. I write books about Logic, so trust me, I know.

Also, you get:
10 killer new features in Logic Pro 9 | MusicRadar

[gussyg2007]

10.6.8....9.1.7 are the magic numbers

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by EastWest Lurker

NO DAW software works "flawlessly"...none, ....nyet....nada...

Logic 9 is more stable, and less buggy than Logic 8, period. I write books about Logic, so trust me, I know.

Also, you get:
10 killer new features in Logic Pro 9 | MusicRadar

I don't care who you are ... to quote "Nobody with a newer computer should still be on Logic 8" gets you a great big "bugger off" - perhaps the reason people don't get consistent systems is because people with a vested interest keep telling them they need to change what is most definitely not broken for my purposes. SFL ninja is having upgrade woes at this very moment - check the other thread - while I have a nice stable system I'm happy with thank you so very much o learned one.

But enough with the thread hijack ...

[EastWest Lurker]

Originally Posted by dr_Jezz

I don't care who you are ... to quote "Nobody with a newer computer should still be on Logic 8" gets you a great big "bugger off" - perhaps the reason people don't get consistent systems is because people with a vested interest keep telling them they need to change what is most definitely not broken for my purposes. SFL ninja is having upgrade woes at this very moment - check the other thread - while I have a nice stable system I'm happy with thank you so very much o learned one.

But enough with the thread hijack ...

Cervantes wrote: "A word to the wise is sufficient."

A word to the...err....unwise in this case, is therefore a waste of words. Do or don't do what you like of course, but speaking as a guy who helps a lot of people whose names you might recognize achieve stable rigs, you are making a poor decision.

And David Earle aka SFL ninja, is having problems with the OS upgrade, NOT with Logic Pro 9, which he uses. Please notice I did NOT say to update to Mountain Lion.

Oh, and the "I don't care who you are" bit is precisely why in this era mediocrity has triumphed and craft is disappearing. In previous eras, "who you are" when giving advice mattered.

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by EastWest Lurker

Cervantes wrote: "A word to the wise is sufficient."

A word to the...err....unwise in this case, is therefore a waste of words. Do or don't do what you like of course, but speaking as a guy who helps a lot of people whose names you might recognize achieve stable rigs, you are making a poor decision.

And David Earle aka SFL ninja, is having problems with the OS upgrade, NOT with Logic Pro 9, which he uses. Please notice I did NOT say to update to Mountain Lion.

Oh, and the "I don't care who you are" bit is precisely why in this era mediocrity has triumphed and craft is disappearing. In previous eras, "who you are" when giving advice mattered.

Yeah, and Cervantes wrote about attacking windmills and obviously was into surreality and the colour purple ... but that not withstanding ... get over the thread hijack and stop being the upgrade police for your own sake if not (quite obviously) mine Trading qualifications and perspicacity is a more than a tad gauche I reckon.

PS I obviously wouldn't have directed people to the SFLogic ninja thread if I didn't have the tiniest idea about OS/version issues ... just stating the obvious.

PPS I obviously know who you are and have benefited form your posts on various forums in the past ... and I still thank you for that ... but still ... I don't tell my patients "I'm your doctor and you''ll like it" ... it's a bit frowned upon nowadays no matter how informed you feel.

[wooster]

Apple no longer supports Leopard, snow, or any legacy device,....no links to past DL's, ..hell they won't even sell you a disc of snow leopard. They are going to IOS for the
operating systems, ...well, because now they have become the new AT&T.
def clone all your hard drives if you have not updated to the bloated and slower Lion
Osx.
Cold Hard Facts,....check it out , you can no longer buy Snow Leopard whatsoever from
Apple,... .. no respect for recent , now (legacy) owners..
fuk apple ...

[Tui]

Originally Posted by wooster

no respect for recent , now (legacy) owners..
fuk apple ...

Sadly, I'd have to agree. I'm not looking forward to the new Apple.

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by Tui

Sadly, I'd have to agree. I'm not looking forward to the new Apple.

+1 (as a 20 year+ user)

[gdoubleyou]

Quad i7 MBP Snow Leopard, but I have Lion on an external, will soon be checking out Mountain Lion.

No compelling reason to upgrade for audio.

Have you attempted to use the install DVD that came with your system?

True you can no longer buy it, but it is supported, and there are update downloads, from the support page, Software Update is still delivering updates for 10.6.8.

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by gdoubleyou

Quad i7 MBP Snow Leopard, but I have Lion on an external, will soon be checking out Mountain Lion.

No compelling reason to upgrade for audio.

Have you attempted to use the install DVD that came with your system?

True you can no longer buy it, but it is supported, and there are update downloads, from the support page, Software Update is still delivering updates for 10.6.8.

Yes just had a security update for 10.8 yesterday!

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[iLex]

If you depend on your music computer for anything more than fun (which includes 'passion'), I'd strongly advice you to not upgrade to the latest OS.
Snow leopard is very very stable. I use it on my mac pro early 2008 and I upgraded from 10.5 (which worked well too) only because I needed it for some plugins. It works great, better than 10.5 I think.

10.8 just recieved the 10.8.2 update, which in mac lingo is: NOT READY FOR AUDIO.
That's not only because the system isn't completely finished yet, it's also because many manufacturers didn't get their stuff to run completely stable on it.
10.8 apparently is a step forward from 10.7 so I wouldn't go for that one either.
When I got my mac pro with 10.5 (.0 or .1 or so) it took half a year for the system to be completely stable (including UAD cards, Duende etc.). I never want that again.

I run 10.8 on my macbook and although I like the new mail interface and the fact that I can stream audio to my AppleTV natively (although AirFoil works better), I don't get the feeling I'm miles ahead of 10.6.8.

Lion or mountain lion will run slower on your mac than snow leopard. Apparently Mountain Lion will be faster than Lion.

So, I'd recommend 10.6.8 (with Logic 9.1.latest on my system). I have some trouble with the 32bit bridge, but that's it.

Good luck with your decision.
Don't forget to do a clean install though. Many reported errors come from upgrade on upgrade. So clean install of 10.6, 10.6.8 update, then (if you decide to do so) Mountain Lion, then the rest.


EDIT: Haha, I just realized you posted this in JUNE... how's your system working out?

[Jiegel]

So I did upgrade to Snow Leopard but now PT8LE is running WAY slower than before...not sure how long I can live like this.

Any ideas on how I might get PT humming again? I'm on a ca. 2008 MacBook Pro, 4GB ram...it would work fine with huge sessions and tons of plug-ins before I upgraded to Snow Leopard...****

[Jiegel]

@wooster, they will send you a disc of Snow Leopard - it cost me $20 and I done did it.

I haven't done the 10.6.8 update though, maybe I'll try that and see if PT runs better... stand by

[kgdrum_nyc]

I've been happily parked in Snow Leo 10.68 since 2011,it's a great OS and IMO better than Lion or MLion,of course ymmv but for most DAW use SL rocks! ;-)