multi mono mix buss compression

pingu · 3rd June 2006

Hi guys.

I love the effect of multi mono tape simulation on the mix buss, in PT, but im wondering what you guys do about compression on the mix buss.

Is it a good idea to use multi mono on the mix buss also?

I love rcomp on the mix buss and sonalksis.

Is there any downfalls with mm on the mix buss?

Thanks

Cheers

lobsterinn · 4th June 2006

I've heard people recommend using multi-mono whenever possible when mixing ITB to help add 'depth'.

In my experience it really depends on the plug-in if there is any noticable difference or not.

I have always used rencomp in stereo as I couldn't tell the difference and it's fairly CPU hungry.

Jbassist · 5th June 2006

is rencomp standart multi mono? or can you set it that way?

Absolute · 5th June 2006

Sorry..but I think you guys are off the reservation.

Im embarrassed
to even have to explain why you must use stereo compression

pingu · 6th June 2006

We bow down to your superiority.

lobsterinn · 6th June 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute

Sorry..but I think you guys are off the reservation.

Im embarrassed
to even have to explain why you must use stereo compression

I believe Pingu was referring to using multi-mono (as in the same settings on each channel) as apposed to stereo.

But if there is something else I'm missing, please take the time to minister to us undeserving fools. We will forever be in your service...

Ricey · 6th June 2006

also called Dual-Mono
like on the Smart C2 Mix Buss Compressor, Stereo is an option- one i rarely opt for because i like the added width(depth?) DM gives the stereo image...
nothing embarrassing about it really.
OK, leaving both channels right up the middle would be kind of embarrassing!

Improv · 6th June 2006

Well there are different types of stereo linking.

There's the type where just the detection circuitry (algorithm) is ganged (joined) for each channel, so a peak in one or the other triggers both, but the controls are seperate, so each channel reacts differently to the trigger.

Then there's control-ganging, where the detectors are left independent, and just the controls are mirrored (though honestly I can't think of any that work this way)

I suppose you could have both concurrently, too.

The idea of linking the detectors is that you wouldn't want one channel to experience an errant trigger that the other channel doesn't see, resulting in a shift in your stereo image due to one side being sucked down. Though, imo and in my practice, unless you're doing extreme panning/dynamics, the stereo image shift is not detrimental using unlinked detectors.

Generally, I go with unlinked (multi-mono, if you will) because I like what it does to the image. If the soundstage shift bothers me (hasn't yet), I wouldn't use it. Nice thing is, it's usually pretty easy to A/B. Do that.

AllAboutTone · 19th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improv

Well there are different types of stereo linking.

There's the type where just the detection circuitry (algorithm) is ganged (joined) for each channel, so a peak in one or the other triggers both, but the controls are seperate, so each channel reacts differently to the trigger.

Generally, I go with unlinked (multi-mono, if you will) because I like what it does to the image. If the soundstage shift bothers me (hasn't yet), I wouldn't use it. Nice thing is, it's usually pretty easy to A/B. Do that.

I agree with this, also if you are not using multi (dual mono) the middle can get very funky and even the effects can be lesson as well, stereo compression is not the the way if you want a wide field and a true mix. I have never got a mix that i liked using stereo ganged on the buss, for me its dual mono.

GalleryofCarpet · 29th October 2008

the API 2500 buss compressor rules! There are various stereo link options. You can link "dual mono" or even do a percentage up to 100% linked. You can also choose to have it ignore low frequencies or high frequencies from triggering compression on both sides. This is useful if you pan the floor tom off of center. It is also nifty to preserve an open high end. I like it on drums, and use it for mastering as well.

dalcl · 27th September 2010

The api2500 is awesome on mix bus, just a little touch of compression, and, woow ! The plug in is a toy... At the beginning, I found it cool, but in fact, NO !!! Not usable on mix bus.

3rd June 2006	#1
pingu Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 665 Thread Starter	multi mono mix buss compression Hi guys. I love the effect of multi mono tape simulation on the mix buss, in PT, but im wondering what you guys do about compression on the mix buss. Is it a good idea to use multi mono on the mix buss also? I love rcomp on the mix buss and sonalksis. Is there any downfalls with mm on the mix buss? Thanks Cheers

29th October 2008	#10
GalleryofCarpet Gear interested Joined: Apr 2007 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2	API 2500 Stereo buss comp the API 2500 buss compressor rules! There are various stereo link options. You can link "dual mono" or even do a percentage up to 100% linked. You can also choose to have it ignore low frequencies or high frequencies from triggering compression on both sides. This is useful if you pan the floor tom off of center. It is also nifty to preserve an open high end. I like it on drums, and use it for mastering as well. __________________ "Just because you can in ProTools, doesnt mean you should."

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lobsterinn Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Portland, Ore. Posts: 732 2 Reviews written	I've heard people recommend using multi-mono whenever possible when mixing ITB to help add 'depth'. In my experience it really depends on the plug-in if there is any noticable difference or not. I have always used rencomp in stereo as I couldn't tell the difference and it's fairly CPU hungry.

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Jbassist Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 223	is rencomp standart multi mono? or can you set it that way?

5th June 2006	#4
Absolute Lives for gear Joined: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,142	Sorry..but I think you guys are off the reservation. Im embarrassed to even have to explain why you must use stereo compression

6th June 2006	#5
pingu Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 665 Thread Starter	We bow down to your superiority.

6th June 2006	#7
Ricey Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2005 Location: São Paulo/NYC Posts: 1,204	also called Dual-Mono like on the Smart C2 Mix Buss Compressor, Stereo is an option- one i rarely opt for because i like the added width(depth?) DM gives the stereo image... nothing embarrassing about it really. OK, leaving both channels right up the middle would be kind of embarrassing!

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Improv Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,365	Well there are different types of stereo linking. There's the type where just the detection circuitry (algorithm) is ganged (joined) for each channel, so a peak in one or the other triggers both, but the controls are seperate, so each channel reacts differently to the trigger. Then there's control-ganging, where the detectors are left independent, and just the controls are mirrored (though honestly I can't think of any that work this way) I suppose you could have both concurrently, too. The idea of linking the detectors is that you wouldn't want one channel to experience an errant trigger that the other channel doesn't see, resulting in a shift in your stereo image due to one side being sucked down. Though, imo and in my practice, unless you're doing extreme panning/dynamics, the stereo image shift is not detrimental using unlinked detectors. Generally, I go with unlinked (multi-mono, if you will) because I like what it does to the image. If the soundstage shift bothers me (hasn't yet), I wouldn't use it. Nice thing is, it's usually pretty easy to A/B. Do that.

27th September 2010	#11
dalcl Gear nut Joined: Jun 2010 Location: Paris, FRANCE Posts: 146	The api2500 is awesome on mix bus, just a little touch of compression, and, woow ! The plug in is a toy... At the beginning, I found it cool, but in fact, NO !!! Not usable on mix bus.