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Old 19th May 2012   #1
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I'm thinking about expanding my summing setup and I need more IO (WELL, more "O" at least) on a pcie connection. These units are about 10 years old but still command a decent price on the new and used markets. Any 24 IO users think this a good direction?

This is my project studio in which I run protools 10 and Studio One on a 2008 mac pro. It would live alongside my RME HDSPe AIO.

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I love Motu conversion but I and others have definitely had problems with their drivers and tech support. For this kind of upgrade I might recommend something else, a little newer that's proven itself
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I had no problems with their drivers on Win7 or Mac OSX - very painless. I also had good customer support for a quick question I had about registration. My 24i/o is reliable and gets the job done. I wouldn't say they sound amazing, but definitely usable. I'll be upgrading mine soon to a Lynx Aurora as I don't need the quantity anymore, but I'd rather a little higher quality.
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I had one a few years ago, but I had a LOT of driver issues running XP. No idea how well it works under OSX.
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Had many systems and Motu [ 24i/o and 2408 ] has been the most rock solid and reliable [ on mac ], it never blinks.
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I regularly work at a facility that has 3 of them running on Windows 7 - rock solid and they sound absolutely fine - I've never had a problem with them.

I also have a mate that runs a 2408 MKIII on W7 (same drivers as the 24 I/O) and again, no problem, with excellent results.

I wouldn't hesitate to use/buy them.
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Another positive

Another positive for the 24i/o.
Had a setup with a Nuendo rig and it was flawless for years. 2 years ago switched to PT on clients demand...
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Ok, looks like I'm officially shopping around now. Thanks for all the insight.

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My 24io/2408 setup works fine with my win7 pc.
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I've never had problems with MOTU drivers. Neither XP nor W7.
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Motu 24io, Motu software and drivers

I'm on Mac, I used Motu equipment for many years but left them back in 2007 because of too many "unexpected quits" by Digital Performer software. I had a good friend (on PC) who bought a 2408 rig and had nothing but problems with it (finally sold it to me dirt cheap :-)

I have another friend out here in LA who is on a Windows PC and he uses the 24io with complete reliability. It's a matter of which mother board and chip sets are on the PC as to whether it will work painlessly.

Fortunately things do improve. My friend who uses the 24io on PC makes great sounding recordings with it and you can't beat this box for lots of inputs and outputs.

When I moved to Apogee converters (from Motu) it was like getting a new set of ears. All my recorded tone quality improved dramatically. That is just my opinion and experience.

I've heard the 24io do good things on a PC, it's just not what I want for myself.

I have had lots of bad experience with Motu software and drivers (on Macs) too, back in 2007 I also had terrible support from Motu but many people report good things so it's really a mixed bag.

The 24io sound quality definitely does not suck as much as some converters do. I personally like the sound quality of the 24io better than their more expensive 896 firewire io (even the new 3rd generation 896 model).

One area I've had problems with on Motu boxes is the switches and knobs become dirty or dysfunctional. The 24io has no knobs or switches (except the power switch) so it has potentially greater reliability in this area.

That's my experience with Motu, good luck and good music to you.
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Question

I've searched threads looking for other possibilities, but I'm going to ask.

There is the Apogee AD/DA - 16 series. Are there any systems that have 24 or more analog ins and outs that integrate into a system?

Is it just me or are we lacking someone to bring out a modular system based on not 24, but say 32 or 48 AD/DA with generic monolithic drivers to intregrate with an analog mixer. Why are they not doing this? Is it because they don't think there will be a need as everything goes totally digital?

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I must sound like a broken record, but I'll say that MOTU hardware is unbeatable on Macs. The 24IO/PCIe-424 works fine. It may not be the latest or greatest in ADA conversion, but you can certainly get good results with them.
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I've used various iterations of Motu 324/424 setups on four different computer systems over the years with absolutely zero problems ever (All Macs, from OS 9 to OS X). I have used 2408 mkii, 24i/o, and 1224's.

I really dig their repair policy too, if it hasn't changed. I called them about their 90 warranty on new stuff, wondering why it was so short. They told me that they charge $75 for any units sent in for repair, and just swap it out with a refurb unit. Fast, cheap, and easy!
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I´m using Motu 324/424 PCI for 10+ years now. (see my signature).
I mix OTB. My MOTU PCI system takes 64 I/O with the hardware connected to it.
It´s very reliable, stable and my recordings/mixes sound great. (Say clients and reviews)
I´d buy another MOTU PCI 24 I/O if I need another set up in the studio.

MOTU has proven to me: Long lasting support and developement on hardware, drivers and DAW DP, always with backwards compability.
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Just a simple question:
How many audio interfaces from the year 2000 have been updated and developed to being able to run on todays Mac OSX or Windows PC?? Really! It´s your investment.
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I´m using Motu 324/424 PCI for 10+ years now. (see my signature).
I mix OTB. My MOTU PCI system takes 64 I/O with the hardware connected to it.
It´s very reliable, stable and my recordings/mixes sound great. (Say clients and reviews)
I´d buy another MOTU PCI 24 I/O if I need another set up in the studio.

MOTU has proven to me: Long lasting support and developement on hardware, drivers and DAW DP, always with backwards compability.
Future proof.

Just a simple question:
How many audio interfaces from the year 2000 have been updated and developed to being able to run on todays Mac OSX or Windows PC?? Really! It´s your investment.
Radiogal,

Do you have any samples of anything you've done with the Motu? I'm currently on an Ensemble + Dangerous Dbox with 8 I/O and am considering getting something to get up to 16 channels of I/O and summing. I keep hearing mixed reviews on the Motu gear...

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Radiogal,

Do you have any samples of anything you've done with the Motu? I'm currently on an Ensemble + Dangerous Dbox with 8 I/O and am considering getting something to get up to 16 channels of I/O and summing. I keep hearing mixed reviews on the Motu gear...

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I have had a MOTU 828 MkII for many years and it just keeps on going, the drivers are rock solid in my experience.
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Had a 2408 MKII and a 24 i/o about ten years ago and as noted above, was very stable setup. The MOTU stuff sounded pretty good IMO.
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I've been interested in the 24io also as a way to expand my studio and get more ins and outs to my racks.

I noticed at Black Lion's site that they do mods to the 24io's to upgrade the converters. Has anyone had any experience with these?

Also, I'm curious about anyone's experience using the 24io with Pro tools 10. I was using an Echo Layla but had so many issues with the drivers and was getting tons of pops and clicks in my audio.
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I've been interested in the 24io also as a way to expand my studio and get more ins and outs to my racks.

I noticed at Black Lion's site that they do mods to the 24io's to upgrade the converters. Has anyone had any experience with these?
They don't modify the 24i/o anymore, only the 24i. Also from my understanding they don't upgrade the converters but they replace the analog section with higher quality components

As for the original question, I've used several of the 424 boxes over the years. 2408, 2408 mkIII, 241, 241/o, and 308 and I have never had any driver issues or been disappointed with anything of them over they years.
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I'm happy with my 24i/o. Always been stable (Windows 7) and sounds good to my ears.

RMAA results are here: www.bassdress.com/tests/[MME]%20PCI-424%20Analog%2023-24%20(MOTU PCI.htm
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I have a question concerning the 24i/o. Since it is FireWire, can it be ran on an iMac FireWire port or must it be pcie? Thanks
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I have a question concerning the 24i/o. Since it is FireWire, can it be ran on an iMac FireWire port or must it be pcie? Thanks
It looks like Firewire, but it is actually a unique protocol by Motu called Audiowire. Same cable, but different language, so you must have the Pci or Pcie card for it to work.
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I have been running a Motu 2408 MK II with 3 1224's on a PC with Protools 10 running 32 in's and outs with an analog board. It is flawless and sounds great. That was not always the case. I did have some driver issues early on but once I upgraded the drivers it has been flawless. I will say Motu's customer service has been terrible for me. When I had an issue not only were they rude to me but I had a repair ticket that was never resolved and never addressed even though I repeatedly contacted them. You are basically on your own. I still do not regret going with them. It sounds good to me. Someday I might do the Black Lion upgrade but for now It's good clean fun.
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I´m using Motu 324/424 PCI for 10+ years now. (see my signature).
I mix OTB. My MOTU PCI system takes 64 I/O with the hardware connected to it.
It´s very reliable, stable and my recordings/mixes sound great. (Say clients and reviews)
I´d buy another MOTU PCI 24 I/O if I need another set up in the studio.

MOTU has proven to me: Long lasting support and developement on hardware, drivers and DAW DP, always with backwards compability.
Future proof.

Just a simple question:
How many audio interfaces from the year 2000 have been updated and developed to being able to run on todays Mac OSX or Windows PC?? Really! It´s your investment.
Great post!

Switching over from a Layla, I got a 2408 w/324 PCI back around 2000 when it first came out and ran it on Win 98. Today I have a 2408 MK2, 1224, and a 308 running through the PCIe 424 card on Win 7 64bit. I use an ALESIS HD24 (EC-2) as my primary I/O using the 2408 as my converter to my PC via lightpipe. I use the 308 and 1224 as I/Os to my effects. What I really like about the 424 card is the Cue Mix, you can do some real crazy routing between all of the devices connected to it, think of it as a glorified digital patchbay. I might not ever get the 24 IO, but I would like to add a 2408 MKIII to the setup as my fourth device. My MOTU setup has served me well for years and years to come.
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One last thing... I would love to see MOTU develop a 424 based unit designed for headphones so that you could create custom mixes using the Cue Mix while integrating it with your other 424 devices.
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