Which drum software can sound close to Gregory Isaacs 'Night Nurse' albums drum sound

[chrisso]

You're just rewording a question you asked last week.

You need tight drums, recorded in a space with no ambience.
The drums shouldn't ring, and yet be clean, crisp and modern.

My product Custom & Vintage ticks all those boxes.
I'm not sure about anything else. I think you probably need to try one or two out.

[Roman]

I wanted to ask you directly.
Um, well I may be a very particular person when it comes to drum sounds. The funk drum sound can have more decay than this example.

Out of curiosity, did you listen to the song on youtube?

I was wondering about the options in regards to tuning and decay (amp enc) or transient designer.

I guess I was hoping more for a challenge to get as close as possible to this particular sound.

I think it is a very dampened but crisp snare and clicky kick drum. But I would definitely assume this is what a high tuned snare would sound like.

I don't have experience recording real drums.
I also note that you can layer drums in some drum softwares. I think Steven Slates video demo he was adding more click to the kick drum by layering and mixing another kick.

I do intend to check out, read buy about four of these things. I'm obsessed with drums.
Is this easy money for the sample producers. I feel the most efficient way would be for me as a consumer to just buy sample packs that run on a good software sampler.

I found 'analogue drums" kits today on the net. They even went to tape , yeah give us some real dirt.
Did you go to tape Chris?

They stated at least 8 velocity layers and 6 round robin samples for each dynamic layer. I don't think any other drum sample library declares the number of samples that cycle through to prevent static sounding sounds.

Is it possible to attenuate a sample with an amplitude envelope and have it sound natural? Maybe just leave some sustain so you still get the natural decay but it is lower in level?

When I listened to the EZDrummer demos of james browns drummers, Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks, I thought that Jabos kit sounded closest to the funky drummer snare sound. Ironic cause Clyde was the drummer on that track.

They didn't real get the kicks low mid pop sound. Maybe that is distortion in the recording process?

Something special about that recording. The Snare is mystically gun shot like in punchiness.
I assuming late 60s early 70s drums are uniquely punchy because of a dynamic recording with less mics but really slamming tape. How else could you get that punch.

Gabriel Roth cuts the lows of the drums to tape so that the mids and highs saturate more, then boosts them after tape. That's the sound old school hip hop sampled.

Does the snare in the Gregory song I listed have any characteristics you could recognise like tuning etc?

Or should I just shut up buy some products because they definitely have close drum sounds?

How much editing is possible in the average drum software?

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[dubmunkey]

Originally Posted by Roman

I wanted to ask you directly.
Um, well I may be a very particular person when it comes to drum sounds. The funk drum sound can have more decay than this example.

Out of curiosity, did you listen to the song on youtube?

I was wondering about the options in regards to tuning and decay (amp enc) or transient designer.

I guess I was hoping more for a challenge to get as close as possible to this particular sound.

I think it is a very dampened but crisp snare and clicky kick drum. But I would definitely assume this is what a high tuned snare would sound like.

I don't have experience recording real drums.
I also note that you can layer drums in some drum softwares. I think Steven Slates video demo he was adding more click to the kick drum by layering and mixing another kick.

I do intend to check out, read buy about four of these things. I'm obsessed with drums.
Is this easy money for the sample producers. I feel the most efficient way would be for me as a consumer to just buy sample packs that run on a good software sampler.

I found 'analogue drums" kits today on the net. They even went to tape , yeah give us some real dirt.
Did you go to tape Chris?

They stated at least 8 velocity layers and 6 round robin samples for each dynamic layer. I don't think any other drum sample library declares the number of samples that cycle through to prevent static sounding sounds.

Is it possible to attenuate a sample with an amplitude envelope and have it sound natural? Maybe just leave some sustain so you still get the natural decay but it is lower in level?

When I listened to the EZDrummer demos of james browns drummers, Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks, I thought that Jabos kit sounded closest to the funky drummer snare sound. Ironic cause Clyde was the drummer on that track.

They didn't real get the kicks low mid pop sound. Maybe that is distortion in the recording process?

Something special about that recording. The Snare is mystically gun shot like in punchiness.
I assuming late 60s early 70s drums are uniquely punchy because of a dynamic recording with less mics but really slamming tape. How else could you get that punch.

Gabriel Roth cuts the lows of the drums to tape so that the mids and highs saturate more, then boosts them after tape. That's the sound old school hip hop sampled.

Does the snare in the Gregory song I listed have any characteristics you could recognise like tuning etc?

Or should I just shut up buy some products because they definitely have close drum sounds?

How much editing is possible in the average drum software?

i think the software is just as important... i find bfd unusable because of its midi response and am looking to get the one up from ezdrummer because it has both sounds and is also well designed software

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[chrisso]

Originally Posted by Roman

Out of curiosity, did you listen to the song on youtube?

Yes.

I was wondering about the options in regards to tuning and decay (amp enc) or transient designer.

Superior has a suite of fx, including a TD type effect.

I think it is a very dampened but crisp snare and clicky kick drum. But I would definitely assume this is what a high tuned snare would sound like.

I agree on the dampened snare and clicky bass drum. Both can be found in C&V. I wouldn't call the Isaac's snare high tuned. For me it's medium tuned.

Did you go to tape Chris?

No, but we recorded through a rare and rich EMI TGI console.

They stated at least 8 velocity layers and 6 round robin samples for each dynamic layer. I don't think any other drum sample library declares the number of samples that cycle through to prevent static sounding sounds.

I think most other drum software has more.

Is it possible to attenuate a sample with an amplitude envelope and have it sound natural? Maybe just leave some sustain so you still get the natural decay but it is lower in level?

Most drum software (including Superior) has a mixer included. You also get to edit individual kit pieces for volume, plus play around with individual mic levels, bleeds etc.

Does the snare in the Gregory song I listed have any characteristics you could recognise like tuning etc?

Medium pitch, played centre head (no rimshots), very dampened.

How much editing is possible in the average drum software?

Quite a bit.