POLL: Logic 9.1.7: Update or not?

[janiq]

its kinda strange to see that this update works fine with some but not the others. to me the most stable version was 9.1.5. unfortunately i have upgraded without backup and now i have to pay for that. stuff that happens the most is either memory leakage, cpu spikes and slow gui (especially in the arrange window).

by they way sorry that this is a bit of topic but is there any way to downgrade to previous version from 9.1.7. the reason i am asking is that i have recently bought a download version of logic pro from app store and straight away i was only able to download the latest version. i have found previous updates on apple support page but obviously it wont let me to install it since there is a newer version already running. someone know if there is any way around it. any help would be appreciated ?

[JohnnyFoster]

FWIW - I'm finished "upgrading/updating" Logic, as I too have experienced varying degrees of performance whenever "upgrading". Logic, for me, is staying at it's current 9.1.6, as it seems to work fine, and I'm not going to mess with it because it is functional as it is.

IMO - Apple does not keep developing the platform for me to justify spending anymore money on it. Thus, I am currently transitioning my entire DAW usage to Cubase 6.5. It's really night and day from my experience - Cubase does things that I have wished Logic did for ages. Things like easy tempo mapping, amazing manipulation of audio, and scores of other things.

Most importantly - I enjoy supporting Cubase and Steinberg, as they are obviously very active in developing the platform. From my view, Apple could care less whether or not people stay with Logic, or get the most out of it that they can. And that's fine - I know it's a business and about "dollars and cents". But they won't get anymore of mine in Logic. Cubase has become where it's at for me.

-JT.

[teedoff087]

Make a backup copy of your Logic Pro bundle in /Applications by right clicking > Compress. Then apply the update. That way, you can roll back if you encounter problems.

[jglover]

I have never posted here before.... I am a long time Logic user and I have had nothing but quirks with this 9.1.7 update.

In addition, the latest duet and ensemble drivers are a fail.

Usable but inconvenient for later stage updates.

OS X 10.7.3
17' Macbook Pro 2.5 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Macintosh SSD

[MrChang]

Working fine here. 2008 octocore, 10.6.8.

[SKyflash34]

I've been following the other thread but haven't commented until now.

So far it's running fine for me on 10.6.8. If anything I'd say it's a bit better
than 9.1.6. However I've also been running smaller sessions under 10 tracks
with only a few plugins. I have been using it with my Apogee One interface
for some writing with some virtual instruments and it's smooth sailing.

2006 core duo Macbook, 2gig RAM ext FW drive.

[KorgAddict]

Working great here, 10.6.8 on a MBP 2011 Quad. Apart from the LFO bug of 9.1.4, all the LP9 updates went smoothly. All the people i know who work with LP9, and that i know they have a legit version, are also happy campers.

KA

[djanthonyw]

Here is the download to 9.1.6 if anyone wants it.

Personally, I still can't decide if 9.1.6 or 9.1.7 runs better for me. On 9.1.6 I would experience the bug with errors on fades if I moved the project folder. On 9.1.7 I have experienced some random crashes when audio is finished bouncing and some sluggishness when switching to automation view.

Download Logic Pro 9.1.6 Update.dmg from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way

If you aren't able to install it use Pacifist to extract the Logic application.

[suckamc]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFoster

IMO - Apple does not keep developing the platform for me to justify spending anymore money on it. Thus, I am currently transitioning my entire DAW usage to Cubase 6.5. It's really night and day from my experience - Cubase does things that I have wished Logic did for ages. Things like easy tempo mapping, amazing manipulation of audio, and scores of other things.

Not to mention the fact that it DOESN'T do the weird cache problem with third party instruments/plugs... the one that makes phantom drum hits at the beginning of a track where there isn't even any midi data, or where residual repeats from a previous playback precede a region by a couple of beats... THAT problem.

[JohnnyFoster]

Originally Posted by suckamc

Not to mention the fact that it DOESN'T do the weird cache problem with third party instruments/plugs... the one that makes phantom drum hits at the beginning of a track where there isn't even any midi data, or where residual repeats from a previous playback precede a region by a couple of beats... THAT problem.

Yep - been encountering that annoying Logic bug a lot lately - most noticeably with my new acquisition of the Halion Sonic AU/VST ; it's really a work-flow stopper when using that new synth and the Logic bug you speak of.

Too bad Logic can't get it's act together.

[grooveminister]

Wow, around 25% of the votes up to now are having issues.
A lot of the people without problems seem to be on 10.6.X - is this pure coincidence?

[Thewillowhouse]

I have both 10.6 (without update) & 10.7 (with update) and I often find my sled on the 10.7 side, the only reason I go back to my 10.6 HD is because of damn pro tools lol

[guavadude]

I'm on hold at 10.6.6 and 9.1.5.
This is the most stable my rig has ever been and I'm going to enjoy it until Logic Z comes out with some feature I'm certain I can't live without, like the ability to bounce audio to a QT movie!

[Salmiak]

Hi there

I'm still on 9.1.5 and 10.6.8. I have two MBPs, one 2007 and one 2011. Both rigs are working great. I've done four big multitrack projects and a couple of small ones the past year (recording & mixing) and I enjoy this too much to even be thinking about updating. I haven't got the guts ;-)

I've been working in Logic since 1996 and I must admit I'm very pleased at the moment. Have learnt to live with Logics minor issues but it´s not affecting my workflow. Some issues are clearly related to certain plugins so I just think more carefully when using them.

(Btw - I'm working in Protools too. )

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by grooveminister

Wow, around 25% of the votes up to now are having issues.
A lot of the people without problems seem to be on 10.6.X - is this pure coincidence?

No problems with 9.1.7 here either..SL aswell.

Remember that folks with problems are more likely to raise their voice than people with no problems, so I suppose 25 % is a little bit high number

[soundvandal]

Originally Posted by guavadude

I'm on hold at 10.6.6 and 9.1.5.
This is the most stable my rig has ever been and I'm going to enjoy it until Logic Z comes out with some feature I'm certain I can't live without, like the ability to bounce audio to a QT movie!

I'm sure you can bounce audio to a qt movie:confused:

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Gearslutz App

[gussyg2007]

10.6.8.....9.1.7 happy bunny ! Staying put until I'm forced to move ie "logic 10/x requires 10.7 minimum"

[guavadude]

Originally Posted by soundvandal

I'm sure you can bounce audio to a qt movie:confused:

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Gearslutz App

Not in 64 bit mode.

[bugscoe]

10.6.8 and Logic 9.1.7 just seems to give problems with large track counts that .6 doesn't.

Just had to force quit, again, my session in .7 Will open back in .6 and carry on.

[valis]

10.7.3 & 10.6.8 both on 9.1.7 no issues. Seems some of the issues are related to known plugins as documented in the other 9.1.7 thread, maybe listing plugins to find those in common might help? Besides that and rebuilding prefs I can't think of much else that would have changed that might affect people besides the 'fades error' fix.

[FYUnited]

I thought that Logic 9.1.7. was running smoothly, but a week ago I had a session with a full band and ran into pops and clicks while recording some audio tracks signifying a computer or i/o issue. This happened somewhat randomly.

I was running this on 64 bit.

When I got down to mixing the session the nasty, old memory issue reared it's ugly head. This time though when a core (a virtual core to be exact) maxed out, Logic didn't give the memory warning but instead exhibited these horrible clicks while I was working on a couple of MIDI synths (EVP) for printing down. Checking the activity monitor I still saw only one of 8 virtual cores working to any degree and maxing out.

I switched back to 9.1.6., ran that 32 bit to check the plugins and test this out. No issues, and better memory handling. Then restarted Logic 9.1.6 on 64 bit and everything was nice and cozy, no issues.

For me it seems now that 9.1.7. is unusable as the core load management doesn't work at all. This is on fairly light loads too, and nowhere near anything my system should have issues with.

Luckily 9.1.6. has been stable for me. I'm sticking to that for now and waiting out, what Apple cooks up. Reaper is looking more appealing by the day...

[Padje]

Staying on 9.1.6 & 10.6.8 Haven't got to much problems with it. Thinking about installing a new hard drive with lion on it. Didn't bite the bullet because I'm a little worried about Logic .7

[scruffydog]

so..the link here suggests to me that 9.1.6 is still available to those of us that never backed up.....am i wrong?

Logic Pro 9.1.1 through 9.1.6 updates

[gdoubleyou]

Originally Posted by soundvandal

I'm sure you can bounce audio to a qt movie:confused:

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Gearslutz App

Not in 64bit mode, logic needs updating for the new 64bit QT.

[Maxkick]

Originally Posted by janiq

its kinda strange to see that this update works fine with some but not the others. to me the most stable version was 9.1.5. unfortunately i have upgraded without backup and now i have to pay for that. stuff that happens the most is either memory leakage, cpu spikes and slow gui (especially in the arrange window).

by they way sorry that this is a bit of topic but is there any way to downgrade to previous version from 9.1.7. the reason i am asking is that i have recently bought a download version of logic pro from app store and straight away i was only able to download the latest version. i have found previous updates on apple support page but obviously it wont let me to install it since there is a newer version already running. someone know if there is any way around it. any help would be appreciated ?

Hi everyone,

same problem here...I was running Logic Pro 8.0.2 and thought it was time to take advantage of the 8 GB ram of my Imac Core 2 duo...So I bought the latest Logic 9 update via app store, which is 9.1.7...Now I've got CPU spikes, disk too slow warning/ system overload, etc...So...I'd like to install 9.1.6 (thanks to the links provided from a previous poster), but it doesn't let me downgrade Logic, since there's there's 9.1.7 already running. Again, there's no previous Logic 9 installed I could backup. Any idea how I could achieve this? Thanks for your help!

Regards,
Max

[KorgAddict]

@Maxkick,
What's your computer, RAM, interface, buffer settings, etc? How much free space on your HD after the upgrade? Maybe you should put some time in sorting out why you get the problems. 9.1.7 is running smooth here.

Remember that you downloaded quite a lot of data. Spotlight is probably indexing like crazy, repair permission, do all the usual stuff... and restart your computer to start off clean. Good luck.

KA

[Maxkick]

Originally Posted by KorgAddict

@Maxkick,
What's your computer, RAM, interface, buffer settings, etc? How much free space on your HD after the upgrade? Maybe you should put some time in sorting out why you get the problems. 9.1.7 is running smooth here.

Remember that you downloaded quite a lot of data. Spotlight is probably indexing like crazy, repair permission, do all the usual stuff... and restart your computer to start off clean. Good luck.

KA

Hi KA,

Thanks for your advice! As mentioned in my previous post, it's an Imac Core 2 Duo (2,93 GHz) + 8 GB of RAM (1067 MHz DDR3). My Interface? Apogee Duet. The OS is snow leopard 10.6.8. I have 180 Go of free space on the main drive (apps, OS) after the upgrade + 1 external drive for time machine + 2 external HD for samples. I've tried Logic in 32 bit mode, then 64 bit, using 64 bit ready plugins. Buffer size was set on 512, then 1024. There were just a few premixed tracks, and therefore very few plugins/processing going on. Logic was the only application running... Your advice is to "repair permission, do all the usual stuff..." Could you please explain what this means and how to do it? Logic was my first DAW, and 9.1.7 my first big update.

Regards,
Max

PS: actually I was asking in my previous post if someone knows how to "downgrade" 9.1.7 to 9.1.6...Again, I've just purchased 9.1.7 so there's no previous Logic 9 version I could back up.

[KorgAddict]

Hi,
Well, 180 Gb is not much if it's a 1 Tb drive. It's always suggested to keep at least 1/3 of your system drive empty. If it's an audio tracks-only project, i'd copy the project folder to your samples HD and select this location to play the project, just to see the difference in performance.

If you never repaired permissions on your main HD and are at 180 Gb left on it, it's more than time to do it!! Locate the Utility folder in the Application folder and open it. You'll find an app called Disk Utility. Double click it to open it. You'll have a column on the left of the window where you see your HD and the "MacIntosh HD" volume(if you didn't rename your system drive partition). Click once on MacIntosh HD, and on the lower right-side of the window you'll see a "repair permission" button. Click on it and go grab yourself a coffee, since it's the first time you do it. It's gonna take a while.

KA

[KorgAddict]

Oh, and i think you don't have the luxury to downgrade to 9.1.6 if 9.1.7 is the only version you have. But like i said earlier, you really should try to find out why you're having problems with 9.1.7. Didn't have any problems with it since day 1. I have downloaded the same lines of code as everybody i guess, so...

KA