Waves "NLS" (in use-discussion)

[bal5000]

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

in an update it would be great to be able to turn that off.

you 'can' turn that off but why would you?
just use the same instance on each channel (the same channel number like nevo 01 or mike 01 - you can choose it on the top of the plugin)

[sonicdefault]

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

in an update it would be great to be able to turn that off.

It automatically assigns a channel when you insert an instance on a track. This is no different than if Waves preselected a single channel for you.

I really don't understand why this seems daunting to some people. They did exactly what many people have asked for... a plugin that's not simple, adding only a little harmonic content or EQ curve. We should consider the alternative, which is basically status quo.

If you're concerned about the subtle variations between tracks, don't be. They actually can help if you take a small amount of time to select channels which compliment the material. The fact that you can turn the drive up to better hear the differences is a major benefit. Engineers would love to be able to do this with such ease on real consoles.

-SD

[TranscendingM]

You can easily open the same instance by copying/duplicating one plugin instance from a track to another.

But I agree with the sentiment that this is closer to capturing all variables of realism. I did demo NLS and must admit they did a nice job. Between 3 major emu's I did a small shootout and picked NLS as my second favorite.

[Retinal]

Originally Posted by bal5000

OMG thanks Jeezo!
these videos are great!
I had absolutely no idea they emulated each individual channel of each console, so there's a slight difference between each instance, and not just between the different console types..

Slight? that'd be cool, you actually better off remember not to use some channels for how deeply they change the sound, and some others mess up the stereo image way too bad

Originally Posted by RaySoul

Well, how exactly would you do that? Assuming Waves really did emulate multiple channels, which channel would be the "main" or "normalized" sound? The channel with the "right" or "wrong" sound would be a matter of taste/preference, right? The best way to "turn that off" would be to just choose your flavor(favorite channel/s) and make a template. Ridiculous to put that on Waves with an update...

A bit time consuming, you're gonna try each channel on each possible instrument? and at what gain staging? drive? bus?..

Originally Posted by sonicdefault

It automatically assigns a channel when you insert an instance on a track. This is no different than if Waves preselected a single channel for you.

I really don't understand why this seems daunting to some people. They did exactly what many people have asked for... a plugin that's not simple, adding only a little harmonic content or EQ curve. We should consider the alternative, which is basically status quo.

-SD

Originally Posted by TranscendingM

You can easily open the same instance by copying/duplicating one plugin instance from a track to another.

But I agree with the sentiment that this is closer to capturing all variables of realism. I did demo NLS and must admit they did a nice job. Between 3 major emu's I did a small shootout and picked NLS as my second favorite.

It is a cool feature yes, what I don't like is those way too different channels,
one would say "ok the console was like that", but the problem is when you mismatch the busses, a whacked channel from the EMI is ok with the EMI bus, but with not with the SSL, and for sure they're *not* swapping busses
in real life..

[jeremycox]

If you assign more than one instance of the plugin at the same time the plugin automatically chooses different channel strips for you.

[jeremyglover]

Originally Posted by jeremycox

If you assign more than one instance of the plugin at the same time the plugin automatically chooses different channel strips for you.

this is what i thought would happen (haven't tried it yet.)

[sonicdefault]

This functionality might be useful to some users who want to create a set of favorite presets. I haven't tried it yet.

From the NLS manual:
Setup Files may contain more than one preset. For example, a single file can contain all the presets for a session. When you open a Setup File, all its setups become part of your Load pop-up menu for fast access. This can be particularly useful with multiple instances of a plugin in a single session. By saving all the settings you create into a single Setup File, they can all be quickly available for every instance of that plugin.


-SD

[jeremycox]

Im really loving the stereo field in the Neve setting! I even went back and remixed two songs since i got NLS! Best $200ish purchase i can recall recently!

[swisha31]

Curious...are any of you producer/engineers that work in the box. Have you tried putting an instance of NLS on the midi channel along with the instrument that you're using and then track to audio with the NLS saturation? If waves has modeled the console, wouldn't this be essentially like tracking into the console, but ITB? i mean i know its not supposed to sound exactly like a console but theoretically, wouldn't this be the case? interested in ur thoughts

[Josh Rose]

In other words... have we used it on a virtual instrument? Yes. Same results as using it on real instruments.

[highvoltage]

Yeah it warms up Midi signal like nothing else!
My keyboard playing got so soulful after inserting an instance.

[Andy_bt]

Originally Posted by highvoltage

Yeah it warms up Midi signal like nothing else!
My keyboard playing got so soulful after inserting an instance.

Isn't it messing a bit with the pitch? I suspect some kind of vintage drift + faulty keyboard emulation.
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[highvoltage]

Originally Posted by Andy_bt

Isn't it messing a bit with the pitch? I suspect some kind of vintage drift + faulty keyboard emulation.
A.

Only with the analog button pushed. Sometimes its so warm, it goes out of tune, but its the beauty of it.

[Andy_bt]

Originally Posted by highvoltage

Only with the analog button pushed.

Makes sense now, thanks!
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[jeremycox]

I don't believe NLS changes the pitch of the track you insert it on. I haven't read one way or this is just my feeling from using it frequently.

[jeremyglover]

Originally Posted by RaySoul

Well, how exactly would you do that? Assuming Waves really did emulate multiple channels, which channel would be the "main" or "normalized" sound? The channel with the "right" or "wrong" sound would be a matter of taste/preference, right? The best way to "turn that off" would be to just choose your flavor(favorite channel/s) and make a template. Ridiculous to put that on Waves with an update...

Ridiculous? no it isn't, with this sort of plugin you want to set it and forget it, not have to go through channels to find the right plugin for the sound.

as for how would they do it, waves have proven themselves. they know how to make good plugins.

my suggestion is to have a feature where you can turn this on or off.
what is so ridiculous about that?

Originally Posted by sonicdefault

I really don't understand why this seems daunting to some people.

it's not daunting at all.

Originally Posted by sonicdefault

Engineers would love to be able to do this with such ease on real consoles.

-SD

i'm sure we'll survive!

[Andy_bt]

Originally Posted by highvoltage

Only with the analog button pushed. Sometimes its so warm, it goes out of tune, but its the beauty of it.

Wow! you're so right, don't know what it does exactly but it really brings back some groove and punch right into your face!

I don't believe NLS changes the pitch of the track you insert it on. I haven't read one way or this is just my feeling from using it frequently.

I know it will always be some skeptical people so I did a test on a quick composition, first dry and then with NLS added on MIDI channels, that's not subtle at all, instant hit sound!
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[samicide]

Originally Posted by Andy_bt

I know it will always be some skeptical people so I did a test on a quick composition, first dry and then with NLS added on MIDI channels, that's not subtle at all, instant hit sound!
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[patrick81]

Originally Posted by Andy_bt

Wow! you're so right, don't know what it does exactly but it really brings back some groove and punch right into your face!



I know it will always be some skeptical people so I did a test on a quick composition, first dry and then with NLS added on MIDI channels, that's not subtle at all, instant hit sound!
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hahhahahah WTF. you are funny guy.

[sonicdefault]

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

Ridiculous? no it isn't, with this sort of plugin you want to set it and forget it, not have to go through channels to find the right plugin for the sound.

as for how would they do it, waves have proven themselves. they know how to make good plugins.

my suggestion is to have a feature where you can turn this on or off.
what is so ridiculous about that?



it's not daunting at all.



i'm sure we'll survive!

What your saying is ridiculous. I don't know any engineer who wants to open a plugin and then not take some time to set it up properly. It's called work. All you have to do is either copy/paste a single channel which you deem as ideal within each instance, or simply save your favorite channels as presets and pull them up under the Waves menu like this:



-SD

[Andy_bt]

Originally Posted by samicide

I also like the NLS better
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[trock]

i literally threw an instance of NLS on the first insert in a song i am doing in cubase, and one on the master (i liked the NEVO best)

did NOTHING other than put them on and move the other plugs down a slot

and it DEF has a much deeper, better sound

and thats without digging in at all individually

its made a diff for me

[mattg082]

I really like it on electronic tracks...especially the nevo. It fits just right. However for normal songs with lots of instruments using my API and gr pres it seems more a hassle for what it adds and it's strong. With my high end setup satson works best and waves tape on kick or bass is fine. On midi instruments or a cheap interface it's very much worth it. I'm also a control freak and don't like to use something yet I don't know if is doing more harm than good. A really descriptive manual would be nice.

[RaySoul]

Originally Posted by Retinal

A bit time consuming, you're gonna try each channel on each possible instrument?.

Until you find the sound you want, that's exactly what you're going to do. Maybe not on every instrument, but you have a general barometer of what sound is palatable. I don't know about you, but I do this for a living. Time consuming? This is my job! It's in my best interest to test/tweak gear I intend to use. Once I find what I like, I preset it, and forget it...

Originally Posted by Retinal

and at what gain staging? drive? bus?..

Again, I do this all day. This is not out of the question for me... Also, I tend to NOT overwork 'drive' controls and such, and leave those things at minimal. People make more of their ability to do this than they should IMHO. This is a luxury, NOT a requirement. On VCC or Satson for example, my drive pretty much stays flat. As for gain staging, that's second nature for me. No thought required...

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

Ridiculous? no it isn't, with this sort of plugin you want to set it and forget it, not have to go through channels to find the right plugin for the sound.!

My point exactly. So, you go through, set it up the way you want, make a template, you're done. Why should Waves do that for you? Like I said before, WHICH OF THE CHANNELS OUT OF ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE THE "OFF" POSITION? How do THEY draw that conclusion FOR YOU?

Originally Posted by sonicdefault

What your saying is ridiculous. I don't know any engineer who wants to open a plugin and then not take some time to set it up properly. It's called work.(Hello.) All you have to do is either copy/paste a single channel which you deem as ideal within each instance, or simply save your favorite channels as presets ...


-SD

Thank you, SD. "Tell 'em what he's won, Bob!"...

[jeremyglover]

wow, i make one simple suggestion and you get all upset.

unsubscribed.

[EddieLovesYou]

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

wow, i make one simple suggestion and you get all upset.

unsubscribed.

Yeah but your "suggestion" shows a real lack of understanding of how this plug works. It doesn't make sense.

[RaySoul]

Originally Posted by jeremyglover

wow, i make one simple suggestion and you get all upset.

unsubscribed.

That's not directed at me. is it? Who's upset? Seems more to me like, someone points out the shortcomings in your "suggestion", and YOU get all upset...

[KennaOkoye]

Originally Posted by Jeezo

one more

Waves LNS on channels .. - YouTube

Your videos are amazing!

That MIKE and The SSL wow!

The VCC Neve sounds more pleasing that the one on NLS

Originally Posted by Jeezo

Last videos :

Waves NLS stereo feeling+in use tutorial - YouTube

Waves NLS Channel Tour - YouTube

bro you got the coolest voice on the planet LOL

Originally Posted by Bob Yordan

My impression , after using the demo a couple of times, is that it glues a mix together more. Comparing one mix I made before with the one I put the NLS plugs on (all tracks and on the buss). The original mix had a higher definition in the individual sounds (it jumped out of the speakers much more), "the sounds moved around more" 3D??. The new mix removed some high end frequencies so I had to compensate for that with EQ and made the mix sound a little bit less wide and more "plain stereo" less 3D??. It is matter of taste what sounds best and some extra work adding the NLS plugins into every project. ;-)

Just some personal reflections, trying it on one mix.

Umm verry vague, so which one has the NLS, the mix with the movement?

[RKelly]

Here's a quick look at using NLS on a mix. I printed bounces of all three settings in the first download link so it's a quick way to flip between them to hear the differences (which are far from subtle, I mixed with the Mike setting on).

http://youtu.be/mlmfNdbLRTA

[flevans]

Just for my 2 cents worth....

I've recently gone back to some of my old mixes, grouped everything into 4/5 busses (i.e. drums, synths, vocals, guitars, bass) then added NLS buss on each buss channel. I've been generally sticking to the same console emu, and driving each instance pretty hard (not into the red but not far off)....
Then on my 2 buss I've used Kramer MPX (clean and open mastering preset, backed off a bit)....
Prior to these mixes I didn't really rate MPX, but have found it works brilliantly, and I haven't been using NLS on the 2buss...

And I've been REALLY happy with overall results, big, warm, lots of character, ....especially adds a sense of 'realness' when using drum plugs like Abbey Road drums and Superior Drummer.....

Anyone else using NLS in this way or similar?