Is the Steinberg MR816 considered "High End"?

[newguy]

Originally Posted by nms

I'd strongly advise against anyone using the inserts ever. It's quite a blunder when people say it's the secret to bypassing the MR816 preamps for cleaner sound when preamps aren't wanted.


I've posted this previously somewhere but here's a shot of all the non linear distortion caused by the inserts vs going into the preamps:

Is this test @ 88k using the full version of RMAA through the asio driver?

Do you get similar distortion @44k through the inserts?

Thanks.

Sent from my Sony Tablet S using Gearslutz App

[nms]

It's 88khz and using the MME driver rather than ASIO driver version. Cable was a brand new 12" insert cable.
You can see the results through preamps as well as inserts side by side though so the only variable was the input method.

I don't have a separate measurement at 44k for the inserts.

[Big_Bang]

Wow.

You guys must feel very lonely in your studios...

Seriously, you're still on with this nonsense?

[nms]

Originally Posted by Big_Bang

Wow.

You guys must feel very lonely in your studios...
Seriously, you're still on with this nonsense?

Welcome to Gearslutz. Website for people discussing gear.

[Big_Bang]

Originally Posted by nms

Welcome to Gearslutz. Website for people discussing gear.

... to actually apply in recording sessions, not philosophizing about skewed technicalities, flawed analyses and biased opinion making.

But thanks you for your warm welcome anyways, and your face palm. But for an analyst, your observation skills are a bit off...
I suggest, as a data analyst you like portraying, to check the stats for TWOGIAR (pronounced "twah-gear") or

"Time Wasted On Gearslutz Instead of Actually Recording".

In my case;

Nov 2006 = 69 months x (mean month=30 days) = 2,070 days
Total post count = 1242 posts / 2070 = average of 0.60 post per day.

In your case;

Nov 2009 = 33 months x (mean month=30 days) = 990 days
Total post count = 1904 posts / 990 = average of 1.92 posts per day.

Plus I have a nice badge under my avatar. But thats mere marketing.
Spec wise, I am MUCH higher end than you, by a factor of exactly 3.2 times more.

Don't you just love numbers? ... now run along and go get that 44k measurement ASAP.

(and DONT forget to add the remaining 0.1... its 44.1k !! Those 100Hz you left out are VERY important... Nyquist would turn over if he read your posts....)

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by nms

Of course there's a lot more to testing converters than sending a saw at a particular frequency. The test method was using RMAA's full test file and the image was from a 1khz sine, so there's really not supposed to be any harmonics there other than the unit's own THD. The results were indicative of poor design no matter how you look at it. You can see the results for going through the preamps are much better than the inserts. The MR816 has some definite design flaws including the fact you get a low end roll off if you choose to use XLR cables instead of TRS. They goosed the combo jacks a bit and as we know filters can cause phase issues as well.

As we all know, none of this means you can't make a great recording with the MR816, but if you recorded the same track with a Hilo or Lavry etc it'd certainly sound better.

Agreed, although one thing I have always found which is interesting. Just from observations in my job, not all people prefer technically "Better".. Although the use for technically inefficient gear gives you less options.

I can take a clean signal and dirty it up with a Hilo, I can't do the opposite with an inferior converter.

[nms]

Originally Posted by Big_Bang

... to actually apply in recording sessions, not philosophizing about skewed technicalities, flawed analyses and biased opinion making.

Let's simplify. Are you trying to say I make an unfair assessment of the MR816's shitty insert inputs? If you look above, someone commented on their experience comparing recordings done through the inserts vs preamps describing the inserts as more distorted, metallic sounding, and generally undesirable. Are you disagreeing here or are you just another MR816 owner who doesn't like to hear comments about its flaws? I sold my MR816 last year so won't be running a separate test of the inserts at 44. I didn't care enough to bother with that when I had it and care less now.

As for time wasted on gearslutz. Well, 95% of my posts are made from my iPhone using the GS phone app when I'm killing time and NOT in the studio. A large portion of those (such as this one) made before getting out of bed or going to sleep. Not a big deal here. I replied to people who addressed me and wanted to help make sure people are aware of a few of the flaws in the unit. This is to counter the cringeworthy advice that floats around about recording through the inserts being a secret trick to bypass the pre's for a cleaner sound. So that's my point in posting. You merely stopped in to make insulting comments so I'm not sure why the surprise for lack of warm welcome. What do you expect?

Also, Nyquist can suck it. The majority of time I hear his name mentioned its as a misguided excuse by noobs for not working at higher sample rates!

[Big_Bang]

Originally Posted by nms

Let's simplify.

Lets.

This is the High End Forum. Have some respect.

If one was to re-read this whole thread, as I just did, as an honest evaluation of my depreciation of your participation herein, one would find that I certainly did not just "jump" in, and have been participating all along with my subjective views on the matter, while you,

a) Called out Michael Wagner as "some random dude" who's ear-opinion has no weight at all,

b) Called out Michal, founder of Mytek and AD/DA designer, openly declaring him not knowing his business,

c) Called out Dr. Harry Nyquist for a suck ... he cannot suck anything, as he is deceased. And your comment on it just demonstrates how... oh... damn... I didn't read the sign! Sorry!

d) just calling out anything and anyone with an honest opinion, with a half wittted attitude, and wildcard responses.

You sir, are behaving like a troll. You have no respect at all, and certainly do not belong in this sub-forum.

(PS: Someone please make the "Don't feed the trolls" sign a bit more visible, I almost missed it, my apologies)

I'm out of this thread. Have fun with your disinformation campaign.

Plain and simple.

[nms]

Originally Posted by Big_Bang

This is the High End Forum. Have some respect.

You must be kidding right? You mean like this gem you decided to uselessly interject between two people calmly & politely discussing something that had nothing to do with you?

Originally Posted by Big_Bang

Wow.
You guys must feel very lonely in your studios...
Seriously, you're still on with this nonsense?

Right.

Ok, we'll have some fun as a thanks for your hypocritical manners & useless interjections..

you,
a) Called out Michael Wagner as "some random dude" who's ear-opinion has no weight at all,

Is english your first language or do you just purposely try to twist things or not understand them? Let's have a look at what I really said:

Originally Posted by nms

I don't look at posts like what Wagner said as being game changing information at all. Talented professionals have pulled off great recordings with subpar gear since the dawn of recording. Only a fool would say professional results can't be achieved with an MR816. That doesn't mean the results wouldn't have been better though with better gear. They had one, used it on some stuff, and were happy with the recordings. I don't doubt this at all.

ok.. next.

b) Called out Michal, founder of Mytek and AD/DA designer, openly declaring him not knowing his business,

Here's my direct quote which I still stand behind 100% and which mentions nothing about Mytek's proficiency in designing converters:

Michal jumped in without even knowing how Diffmaker works, what it addresses, and much of what we were doing. He posted again retracting some of what his first post implied but was too busy to ever really look into it. Don't be a fool and listen to what people say just because of who they are. The best experts are of little help if they don't have the relevant info about what you're doing. If you're going to let other people do your thinking for you at least make sure they have the info needed to point you in the right direction.

Yeah, quite a lot of bad advice I gave out there!

have fun with your disinformation campaign.

When you stuck your nose in (where it had absolutely no use) we were discussing MEASURED FACTUAL information on the MR816. Have you offered anything of the sort through this thread? Has ANYONE else gone and measured & posted about the things I have to better inform people? Is there a PURPOSE for me to post those things when you've got guys basically saying "psshhh.. noobs don't know the secret to bypassing the pre's, just record through the inserts!"? Uh.. yeah, there is. My only point in posting about the MR816 ever was that of someone who owned one & took measurements after falling for the "MR816 vs Orpheus" parlour trick and buying into the hype from everyone that hastily jumped on the bandwagon going "WOW I guess this $700 box is as good as a $4000 orpheus!"

Yes, I could be a bit nicer here, but I have an adverse reaction to people who waste my time and a few things I hate are misleading hype & those who get pissy just because they own something and don't like hearing something bad said about it. No one's married to their gear. You're better off knowing its weaknesses.

Thanks for coming out.

[janjaal]

Originally Posted by robertshaw

My shootout coming in late July may prove otherwise. I have just acquired the X unit to include as
another representative of low-end A/D along with Behringer, RME, maudio etc....

stay tuned

what happened to your shoot out that was supposed to be done by end of july??? we are almost by end of October...

just none sense talks on the internet huh?

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by janjaal

what happened to your shoot out that was supposed to be done by end of july??? we are almost by end of October...

It was suspended.

[janjaal]

Originally Posted by Jimbo

It was suspended.

what do u mean?

[Daniel Comport]

In real life, someone here would have had a smack in the face some time ago....... Or at the very least in a pub setting just been laughed at and ignored

[joeq]

Originally Posted by nms

No one's married to their gear. You're better off knowing its weaknesses.

It's hard to argue with that. And yet many people do.