iMac vs. Windows pc?
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iMac vs. Windows pc?

My old music making pc starts to be in the end of it's service for me (Problems with mouse and keyboard for example), so I'm planning to buy a new computer to run pro tools & ableton live.
My question to you is whether to go mac or windows pc and if either why so? I've understood that macs are bit more expensive compared to windows pcs, but also more trustworthy.
The guy in local music gear store was pushing mac to me, but I thought I'd ask around bit first before rushing to buy.
Feel free to share your good and bad experiences with either?
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Just moved from a 6-year-old XP single-core laptop with 2.5gb ram to an iMac i5 quad-core with 12gb of ram.

Spent $1200 for the XP laptop six years ago, spent $1200 for the iMac.

My test songs went from 30-40% on the XP's cpu meter to 5% on the iMac.

(and the iMac will run OSX, Win7 and Linux simultaneously... I've given up nothing and gained massive performance increase.)
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Just moved from a 6-year-old XP single-core laptop with 2.5gb ram to an iMac i5 quad-core with 12gb of ram.

Spent $1200 for the XP laptop six years ago, spent $1200 for the iMac.

My test songs went from 30-40% on the XP's cpu meter to 5% on the iMac.

(and the iMac will run OSX, Win7 and Linux simultaneously... I've given up nothing and gained massive performance increase.)
Thanks for commenting! Guess iMac is quite reliable with its integrated parts?
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Oh should've read rules first.. No Mac vs pc threads. Sorry my bad :-/
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Oh should've read rules first.. No Mac vs pc threads. Sorry my bad :-/
It really doesn't matter. There is no audio difference and the software works just the same in either OS. What makes the Mac 'more trustworthy'? The buyer is unable to cheap out on some basic things as he is able to do on the PC, thereby sabotaging himself. Buy a better PC, you'll get similar 'trustworthiness'. If your goal is to have an audio computer, buy the software that you like best and buy the machine to support it. If you have other considerations, figure them into the equation. There is absolutely no 'better' choice in general, so long as you keep quality as a part of the equation. All of the 'my daddy can beat your daddy threads are pretty much crap.
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What makes the Mac 'more trustworthy'? The buyer is unable to cheap out on some basic things as he is able to do on the PC, thereby sabotaging himself. Buy a better PC, you'll get similar 'trustworthiness'.
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to comparing PC to PC. Notice I didnt say Mac vs PC, as they are the SAME thing. These days you are just comparing OS's NOT computers.

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Finally someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to comparing PC to PC. Notice I didnt say Mac vs PC, as they are the SAME thing. These days you are just comparing OS's NOT computers.
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OS's and end Costs actually.
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OS's and end Costs actually.
I personally dont buy into this one, but i can understand how it is a factor for some folks. Also, even if it is a factor, there is a lot of grey area. I find that most worldly things DO NOT work in the mac OS offerings, so i am buying a lot of stupid little apps to do what the rest of the world already supports. Of course that is my workflow and not anyone elses.

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Choose the software you want to use. Then choose which Operating System you want. Then choose your computer.

There is NO other answer. Both platforms are completely acceptable. I like Windows a bit better than OSX but they are both awesome.

If you are wondering more so about iMac vs PC Tower (instead of MAc Tower, PC Tower) , I'd say that iMac is pretty good and seems stable from many people that use them. But I have heard a few complaints. However . . . trust me, PCs are just as fickle at times with components.

I'd say if you need to buy right now maybe wait until June or July because I think they'll have new iMacs then. (Maybe not though). But either way just pick the one you really want.

If the new iMacs are good I may get one and just dual boot Windows and OSX, but it depends on how much internal HD space I can get.\

Edit: I just noticed you said you will be running Pro Tools. I would go Mac in that case. Pro Tools is not very stable on PC's in my experience. Ableton live, doesn't matter which OS you use. And of course if you like logic you have to get OSX
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Stubby is pretty much right - PCs can be very fickle regarding compenets. A 2011 onwards Mac generally just works out of the box no no messing around with config, OS reinstalls, disabling hardware etc. I might suggest a PC win7/64 for PT and OSX for ableton Live - PT9 runs fater on Win7/64 (not sure about PT10), Live 8 is I think more relaible on OSX (for me with RME and NI hardware and drivers) and perf is just as good as windows.

Which platform work best in the end is down to work software you want to run and what audio hardware you have etc - assuming you are not one of the many poor sods with a application that run best on windows and hardware that has horrendous windows drivers and great OSX drivers.

Learning OSX is easy (especiall if you already have an iPhone or iPad) - you might find once you get use to it - there will be a bunch of feature you really miss going back to a windows machine. Likewise moving from windows to OSX - their may be windows stuff you will miss.

OSX boots quickly (even if lion aint as good as snow leopard was) - that actually makes quite a difference to how you use it if it is a home machine.

Macs are less hassle to own and operate, but for your money, you can always get a far faster PC. If you want a fast and relaible audio PC - then either the price diffference can go away (because a specialist system builder will charge you lots), or be prepared for alot of learning and research to do the job right. For laptops OTOH - I personally wouldnt bother with a PC laptop at all for audio - regardless of what OS I want to run.
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Originally Posted by TimOBrienFlorida View Post
Just moved from a 6-year-old XP single-core laptop with 2.5gb ram to an iMac i5 quad-core with 12gb of ram.

Spent $1200 for the XP laptop six years ago, spent $1200 for the iMac.

My test songs went from 30-40% on the XP's cpu meter to 5% on the iMac.

(and the iMac will run OSX, Win7 and Linux simultaneously... I've given up nothing and gained massive performance increase.)
And the same won't happen on a new PC? The difference is 6 years, not mac or PC.

I generally agree with Bill here.
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Macs are less hassle to own and operate...
This is a personal opinion and should be stated as such. Personally, I tend to find PC's more comfortable for me. I find they make more sense. But AGAIN, that is my trip through kansas, not anyone elses.

I am in a Mac cycle right now, but my next cycle will probly be Microsoft.

To the OP, its a tough choice to make and in the end it will be what you prefer, or which works best FOR YOU AND YOUR SITUATION. Canon/Nikon, XBOX/Playstation, BMW/Mercedes.... They will forever be argued but they are all solid tools and ultimately the choice is not in stats or ability, it is in pref.

I like Halo, so i prefer XBOX. Does PS suck, not unless you talk to an idiot fanboy.

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Thanks for objective answers sorry again for this non-tolerated question.. I found the rules just after I received first answer.. I found an article about the topic in net, but it was almost same as people here stated.
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This is a personal opinion and should be stated as such.
There is allways one...
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If cost isn't a concern than mac all the way. If you want bang for your buck a pc tower built right can get you a beast machine at a great price. For labtops mac all the way. If you go mac get it with the least amount of ram possible. The ram is much cheaper to buy yourself and super easy to find and install.
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It really doesn't matter. There is no audio difference and the software works just the same in either OS. What makes the Mac 'more trustworthy'? The buyer is unable to cheap out on some basic things as he is able to do on the PC, thereby sabotaging himself. Buy a better PC, you'll get similar 'trustworthiness'. If your goal is to have an audio computer, buy the software that you like best and buy the machine to support it. If you have other considerations, figure them into the equation. There is absolutely no 'better' choice in general, so long as you keep quality as a part of the equation. All of the 'my daddy can beat your daddy threads are pretty much crap.
What Bill eloquently stated . . . and I'll add the following: If you play your cards right, buying a PC that works well for you can save you enough money for other crucial purchases such as a mic, a guitar, or even both.

The inverse is seldom if ever true.

That said, if the prospect of configuring and assembling a Windows box scares you, don't do it yourself. What's "easy" for some people is not easy for everyone.
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There is allways one...
In this case i will wear the hat

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I personally dont buy into this one, but i can
understand how it is a factor for some folks. Also, even if it is a factor, there
is a lot of grey area. I find that most worldly things DO NOT work in the mac
OS offerings, so i am buying a lot of stupid little apps to do what the rest of the
world already supports. Of course that is my workflow and not anyone else's.
jB

I can understand not letting the end costs determine which OS you use....but do you really not calculate that and factor it into studio costs?

I'm not a loosey goosey accounting type - I need hard numbers and returns.
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I can understand not letting the end costs determine which OS you use....but do you really not calculate that and factor it into studio costs?

I'm not a loosey goosey accounting type - I need hard numbers and returns.
Well, something may have been misunderstood, but i took it as some think certain choices have costs past their up front costs. For me, this is not as much of a issue as it may be for others given my experience with computers. Mac users very often like to talk about how macs are more expensive up front but the overall cost of ownership is less. I am only saying that i have not experienced this, but again, that may be because of my current knowledge of M$ OS.

For the accounting types, its just a tough thing to quantify.

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Choose the software you want to use.


for the record, rocking here with a 27" 2.7gHz iMac here with 16 GBs RAM... DP7, REASON6 and Waves plugs... Duet 2 convertor...
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I personally dont buy into this one, but i can understand how it is a factor for some folks. Also, even if it is a factor, there is a lot of grey area. I find that most worldly things DO NOT work in the mac OS offerings, so i am buying a lot of stupid little apps to do what the rest of the world already supports. Of course that is my workflow and not anyone elses.

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Audio related, or just general?

It sounds to me as if you are someone who tried OSX this time around and are not particularly happy with your choice from your various comments, but have yet to see a concrete reason for this rather than just generalized negativity.
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AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH For the SAME money it was 1 laptop with a 5,400rpm drive, OR an i7 Laptop AND an i7 Desktop.

Not interested in[false] resale,I love the security of EVERYTHING doubled[Daw/Plugs-the lot] instead of,shit its broken,now I have nothing.

There is NO apple store in my State...yet.

Until there is an Ivy Xeon MacPro,I consider what I have to be superior.

PC since Sandy Bridge is a Whole New Ballgame.
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Audio related, or just general?

It sounds to me as if you are someone who tried OSX this time around and are not particularly happy with your choice from your various comments, but have yet to see a concrete reason for this rather than just generalized negativity.
There are no concrete arguments, which is the entire point. One is not clearly better. It comes down to what you are used to, what applications you use, what you want to see when you computer turns on.

There are some things that I like better about OSX and some things i like better about windows. It is a personal pref, my personal pref.

As far as audio, i have noticed zero difference between the two. Protools still crashes from time to time on OSX just like on windows. Lucky us!

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I run both Windows and OSX machines and personally find Macs to be more reliable for my usage.
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