The Kramer Mastertape

[manysounds]

Uhhhhh....

Ask?

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by manysounds

Uhhhhh....

Ask?

Thats great.
We want to know about the button where the feedback is.
The alternative called slap, is that also feedback.
We have been doing research and also building soundmixers with feedback,
for over 25 years

[cassnate6259]

Originally Posted by manysounds

Uhhhhh....

Ask?

lol

[recall]

Tape Plugin - Eddie Kramer About the Kramer Master Tape - YouTube

Why not let Eddie Kramer walk you through it?

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by recall

Tape Plugin - Eddie Kramer About the Kramer Master Tape - YouTube

Why not let Eddie Kramer walk you through it?

I am not sure he can .
I think he is one of thouse, who are just whealing the volymcontrols .
Technical support maybe, or maybe not.
So you dont know, thats interesting

[hbernhard]

if you have an ILOK --> download this plugin as test version and make up your mind :-)
PS is not part of my waves arsenal

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by hbernhard

if you have an ILOK --> download this plugin as test version and make up your mind :-)
PS is not part of my waves arsenal

I already have it, and have used it.
I am asking one question.
I am not asking for a discussion,
about why you cant answere my question.
Its the best that have happend with Waves uptil now ok.

[Beaumaloe]

I'm pretty sure slap emulates adjusting the position of a playback head to give you a delay effect.

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by Beaumaloe

I'm pretty sure slap emulates adjusting the position of a playback head to give you a delay effect.

Thank that might be useful.
We have built similar feedback setup, the analog way used in the radio.
We like this very much from Waves, but we only use the feedback part for now,
so we just wondered what happens when using Slap.
Using Feedback only is great for us , but when changing to Slap ,
not using Delay is maybe just an extra signal with no effect or what.
We have done advanced feedback for a long time now,
so we know that we dont have to have extra delay in Hardrock ,
because we already have so much on single instruments.
I am asking because I dont have time to test everything

[Jeezo]

i find the H delay pretty similar if you're about the delay ....

I'm also using it as a "Filter" to soften high or lows isntead of filters sometime just by playing with speed ...

Really great plugin....

[mutilatedlip]

Originally Posted by niceboy

I am not asking for a discussion

This is a forum for discussion, so that kind of puts you at a bit of a disadvantage.

[Khazul]

Slap is just one echo, so no feedback.

Nice plugin as a tape saturator - easy to setup and adjust for this. Slap and feedback echo is about what you could do abusing a tape machine. Its not really a proper tape echo box, thoough sound quite decent within the limits of what it can do.

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by mutilatedlip

This is a forum for discussion, so that kind of puts you at a bit of a disadvantage.

I said I am asking one question.
I am not asking for a discussion
Up till now some people just want everything but answering the question
Music Computers is not only about discussing.
Teaching is not about discussing it is about Questions and Answers.
I schould call that a conversation.
Its a big difference among teachers.

[NYCruiser]

Can't we all just get along?

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by Khazul

Slap is just one echo, so no feedback.

Nice plugin as a tape saturator - easy to setup and adjust for this. Slap and feedback echo is about what you could do abusing a tape machine. Its not really a proper tape echo box, thoough sound quite decent within the limits of what it can do.

Thanks for the answere but as I said we are interested in your answere in our way.
We have built the feedback part on tape-maskins and Soundmixers,
and we are not interested in the delay Part, but the feedback part.
Feedback is great on this maskin also using no Delay, but then the Slap part is totaly silenced maybe using no delay,
or can you tell me that because thats the question.
There is sounds so maybe Slap is not usefull at all then if we want just feedback

[mutilatedlip]

I have this plug and use it often for warming up sterile digital tracks and consider it a major part of my signature sound.

If you could be a bit more specific with your question, I'd be happy to try and answer it for you.

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by mutilatedlip

I have this plug and use it often for warming up sterile digital tracks and consider it a major part of my signature sound.

If you could be a bit more specific with your question, I'd be happy to try and answer it for you.

Thanks
The feedback is just great on this maskin specially when using no delay,
because we dont want any delay, but if we switch to Slap
and still having the delay switched off , what is the Slap doing then.
Feedback in itself has nothing to do with delay ,but maybe Slap needs delay

[psycho_monkey]

Ahh, that slapping sound is the language barrier getting in the way!

[DaveE]

Whether you choose slap or feedback, the bigger knob above is just a send% knob. If it's at 0 (default) then there is no delay. Does that answer your question?

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by DaveE

Whether you choose slap or feedback, the bigger knob above is just a send% knob. If it's at 0 (default) then there is no delay. Does that answer your question?

Not really ,when I use procentage feedback it works great without having the delay knob
activated on its own knob, but when having Slap activated on the same knob as the feedback knob,
I was just testing that really fast one time and it seemed just to change to an extra paralell signal that is raising the volym a little bit maybe ,
I dont know ,and I am just asking what its supposed to do, with or without having the delay knob activated,
or in other words, if its useful with or also without delay.
maybe we will use it before mastering on stereo mixdown to make extra delay also later.
Thats if its working only with delay.
There is some more knobs also so, I am just asking
.

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Ahh, that slapping sound is the language barrier getting in the way!

No you are wrong, that started 1611 when Händels relatives decided to
go to New Amsterdam called New York now, and they decided to start a new english language that later became the real english because its totally,
neutral from any dialect or whatever you call it.
Thats not Oxford I am talking about
So thats proven by sientific results and the dictaphonic institutions all over the world, so you dont need to discuss that with me.
Of course you want to discuss lol, but why schould I do that.
Someone just donated 8000 crowns from my account to someone working on a newspaper far away from here from my Pay Pal account,
using my name there.
Is that maybe some of you guys, thats having too little usefull things to spend time on lol

[markham]

Sorry this has been a frustrating thread so far. There are lots of people who would be happy to help you out, but it's just not very clear what you're asking. What is it you want to know?

On the Kramer Master Tape's Delay section, the "Delay Time" is how long before the first repeat. You can set it to either be "Slapback" mode, meaning only one repeat, or "Feedback" mode, where there are more than one repeat. The 'Feedback' knob is essentially how loud you want the repeats to be, and the "Lowpass" is what frequency you want to start rolling off the highs at on the repeats.

I don't know if this answers your question or not, because it's not clear to me what you're actually asking. Also, all of the above information I just shared is readily available on the Waves site. You might want to visit there to learn more details.

Hope this helps in some way.

[piano]

Indeed, just state your one question please. Communicate it simply.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by niceboy

No you are wrong, that started 1611 when Händels relatives decided to
go to New Amsterdam called New York now, and they decided to start a new english language that later became the real english because its totally,
neutral from any dialect or whatever you call it.
Thats not Oxford I am talking about
So thats proven by sientific results and the dictaphonic institutions all over the world, so you dont need to discuss that with me.
Of course you want to discuss lol, but why schould I do that.
Someone just donated 8000 crowns from my account to someone working on a newspaper far away from here from my Pay Pal account,
using my name there.
Is that maybe some of you guys, thats having too little usefull things to spend time on lol

Umm, what?!

[rhythmtech]

im still waiting on the elusive question mark to point out the actual question

[niceboy]

Originally Posted by markham

Sorry this has been a frustrating thread so far. There are lots of people who would be happy to help you out, but it's just not very clear what you're asking. What is it you want to know?

On the Kramer Master Tape's Delay section, the "Delay Time" is how long before the first repeat. You can set it to either be "Slapback" mode, meaning only one repeat, or "Feedback" mode, where there are more than one repeat. The 'Feedback' knob is essentially how loud you want the repeats to be, and the "Lowpass" is what frequency you want to start rolling off the highs at on the repeats.

I don't know if this answers your question or not, because it's not clear to me what you're actually asking. Also, all of the above information I just shared is readily available on the Waves site. You might want to visit there to learn more details.

Hope this helps in some way.

Ok
I am sorry if you see it that way.
I am not here to be your teacher, but it seems impossible to avoid here
The Waves manual is misleading you here because its just wrong about the feedbackpart.
That is part of the confusion here.
Also the technical support for Waves is great,
but if you read the history of creating this plugin,
you will maybe find the answere for your confusion.
Simply the feedback is possible to use as a singel effect by itself.
Technical support personal is not necessarily authorised sound-engingeres.
So they are not allowed to tell you anything about the feedback part.
Thats part of whats considered advanced signal processing,
and of course its kept secrete a little bit then how its done.
So my question is even more confusing then,
because very few seems to understand,
that feedback is done without delay also.
My question though is about the Slap now ,
I dont know what to say about it more than that we have built one prototype,
just a little bit better analog prototype than the Kramer Mastertape,
in terms of just using the feedback Knob.
We have a two part knob, and the lower is doing Subass-feedback and the upper is doing sort of higpass-feedback.
The highpass is done in the lowest subbass register.
Sorry if I have to tell you that and I really want to know from my point of view then,
about what the Slap Is doing when the delay knob is on zero.
Its also unclear if the alternatives is a choice,
that I have to do between them or if they actually work both in the same time,
but when I tried just once it did not seem so.