Best saxophone plugin?
Old 21st January 2012
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Best saxophone plugin?

I'm looking for a good saxophone plugin. Nothing too expensive, free would be nice but anything around $100 is alright. I'm trying to find a late Coltrane/Pharoah Sanders-esque sound, real "skronky" and abrasive, something that could emulate overblowing too. I've tried the DVS sax vst and heard samples of Saxlab, both of which just sound too synthy and only somewhat work for soft sounds. Any suggestions?

Thanks
Old 21st January 2012
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Chris Hein Horns. He has a new one called Ms Sax that doesn't require Kontakt so you might check that out. The sounds and articulations are excellent.
Old 21st January 2012
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Ms Sax sounds great, I like the tenor one (Ms Sax T). It's kind of expensive (around $150) but I'll definitely consider it. Thanks!
Old 23rd January 2012
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Is it possible to use Mr. Sax T through Reaper? I know you have to use Kontakt but is there any way to integrate it into Reaper after kontakt? This may be a dumb question and I know Ms Sax S doesn't require Kontakt but I just think the tenor just sounds more like what I'm looking for. Honestly I just don't know much about Kontakt.

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Old 25th January 2012
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Is it possible to use Mr. Sax T through Reaper? I know you have to use Kontakt but is there any way to integrate it into Reaper after kontakt? This may be a dumb question and I know Ms Sax S doesn't require Kontakt but I just think the tenor just sounds more like what I'm looking for. Honestly I just don't know much about Kontakt.

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I don't use Reaper but I would be shocked if it didn't work. That said, you have to have the full version of Kontakt 4 or greater in order to use the other packages. Something to think about cause if you don't already have it Kontakt is going to set you back a few dollars.

Ken
Old 25th January 2012
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VSL have a sax package. Sounded good from memory.
Old 12th November 2012
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I've used most sax VST's, but.... unfortunately, almost none compare favourably to a real sax. (Been playing sax for 37 years, by the way.) The problem is that a sax is one of the most expressive of instruments, and it's almost impossible to replicate using current technology.
You might want to use a sample library, but you'll be constrained by the key and tempo of the recording, of course.

Have a listen to me playing at Collaboration - Dave Francis + Janne Hanhisuanto by Davesax1965 on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free - this would be almost impossible to get close to using VST instruments.
Old 12th November 2012
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NN-XT + freeSF2 via ReWire go to VST-host
Old 12th November 2012
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Native Instruments Session Horns

dont use sf2 they sound like .. very bad.
Old 12th November 2012
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tooting my own horn here (!!!) but if you're after a one-or-two off occasion, I could help you out...

(excuse the cheeky plug!)
Old 12th November 2012
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Old 15th November 2012
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I don't use Reaper but I would be shocked if it didn't work. That said, you have to have the full version of Kontakt 4 or greater in order to use the other packages. Something to think about cause if you don't already have it Kontakt is going to set you back a few dollars.

Ken
Old post but blah.

Why you think so? Reaper support VST's and other plugins like other DAW's too. I have used free kontakt player (equipped with NI west africa) with Reaper, no worries!
Old 15th November 2012
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I also recommend Chris Hein Horns. It has just been updated. Great samples, articulations, stability, etc. I also use CH Bass.

The Catch: The full CH horns collection is far out of your price range, $800. However, you can buy the compact version for $300.

You can get convincing performances with sample sets. However, I find that the more you use them, the less convincing they become. You start to hear the similarity of the limited sample set, even the most robust ones.

Price wise, it is way cheaper than getting session work.
Old 15th November 2012
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Old post but blah.

Why you think so? Reaper support VST's and other plugins like other DAW's too. I have used free kontakt player (equipped with NI west africa) with Reaper, no worries!
Can you please reread what I wrote and tell me how in the world you would ever think I said it would not work with Reaper? I said exactly the opposite with the caveat that I don't personally use Reaper.

If you already have Chris Hein Horn's the upgrade pricing just announced in emails to registered users is very reasonable.
Old 15th November 2012
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VSL (specifically the Tenor sax) is my favorite sounding sax library.
Old 15th November 2012
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Originally Posted by nick-the-sax View Post
tooting my own horn here (!!!) but if you're after a one-or-two off occasion, I could help you out...

(excuse the cheeky plug!)
Nick's absolutely great to work with, and he will dish out some mean saxomophonic madness. I'd go for it.

EDIT: Just realized the OP was made in January. Hope you found what you were looking for.

Last edited by borg64; 15th November 2012 at 07:21 PM.. Reason: A do'h moment.
Old 24th November 2012
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e, you're too kind Mr Borg! appreciated
Old 25th November 2012
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Thank you search function. I've been bumbling around whinging and moaning about not being able to find good Sax one shots to sample for a Liquid DnB track my brother and I are working on. Thanks everyone! Here's your imaginary pint
Old 25th November 2012
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Nothing comes close to Samplemodeling. Takes a while to learn how to use an expression pedal to simulate breath, but once you get the hangs of it, your only competition is a real sax player.
Old 2nd December 2012
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I just heard some SampleModeling demonstration tracks and they definitely sounded more realistic than SaxLab.
I got excellent results using Yellow Tools Candy but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a Windows 7 64-bit update of that product so I need to find an alternative.
Old 2nd December 2012
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Nothing comes close to Samplemodeling. Takes a while to learn how to use an expression pedal to simulate breath, but once you get the hangs of it, your only competition is a real sax player.
+1, (have tried it next to sax lab - sax lab isn't worth the investment - just like a dedicated synth patch) ... whereas sample modeling wont even let you attempt to use its models without assigning appropriate controllers - very realistic for ITB stuff.
Old 6th January 2013
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Hi folks, great thread but alas, a waste of time discussing what VST's sound like a sax. The answer is "none do". If you want a VST which sounds like a VST, fine. If you actually want a sax sound, then .... get a sax player.

It really is that simple.

One problem non sax players have is that they listen to some kind of VST brass instrument and convince themselves it sounds like a saxophone. Believe you me, it doesn't. At the mo, the technology available will not cope with brass or woodwind instruments, and I'm not sure it will for years.

Even modern wind synths don't have the same range of expression as their physical counterparts, and I've played wind synths since they came on the market in the very early 90's. Sometimes, there's just no substitute. If you're happy with a VST sound, then fine. If what you're looking for is a real sax sound, you need a real sax.
Old 6th January 2013
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Samplemodeling is the closest you can get to the real thing. Its cool for mockups and arranging and works great when combined with some real instruments in a section.
Old 6th January 2013
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If you're lazy, and don't wanna play sax lines,
but want it real as it gets!?
Liquid Instruments Saxophone!
Old 6th January 2013
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There is no substitute for ANY live instrument. Piano VSTis don't sound right to piano players. Programmed drums certainly sound rubbish to me (all of them, without exception). Yet still - music is recorded with such things. Hits are made and overall people are happy.

The scope of the original request was: What is the best sax plugin? That's it. Not " lets have a debate about which is more sax like". It's obvious - the real sax is more sax like. End of.

Same for all of these discussions. So - NO MORE telling the OP that there is no substitute - we all know that. That is not his question.

SampleModelling is the best one I've used. Highly recommended.
Old 6th January 2013
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Chris Hein has just updated all of his horn packages with the main feature being seamless transitions between different articulations. I had his previous versions and have upgraded and can definitely say it is worth it. That is one of the things that makes VST's not sound nearly as good because with many of them you can really sense the transitions between the different sample sets. I don't know how Chris managed to pull it off but his stuff is really smooth.

I would also add that Chris' support of his products is among the best of any vendor I have dealt with and I have dealt with a lot of them.
Old 7th January 2013
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Saophone is an instrument that is related with the devil himself and it's not ment to be used at all so why use a plugin Take a nice fender telecaster and a Fender twin amp and you'll be as happy as never before
Old 11th January 2013
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Saophone is an instrument that is related with the devil himself and it's not ment to be used at all so why use a plugin Take a nice fender telecaster and a Fender twin amp and you'll be as happy as never before
The only problem with that is that a Fender is a GUITAR and the thread starter requires a SAXOPHONE (or as you put it, a "saophone")

Incidentally, it seems I was wrong. There is indeed a Windows 7 64-bit update for Yellow Tools Candy Saxophone. I just downloaded it but it was a hassel to do so.
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