Waves 64bit, No more iLok in March

[raymondwave]

Originally Posted by work2do

you do not have to keep your rigs online. just download the licenses from the cloud to your computer and turn off the internet. it uses the mac ID from your ethernet card to give you a unique ID. You do not have to stay online.

I'm not worried about staying online, I'm worried about computers staying alive. I don't know how exactly this new thing works, but most of the times you loose an authorization each time you loose a motherboard and this has happened to me a lot of times. You can't unauthorize with a broken computer.

Oh the joy of speaking to customer care explaining why I've ran out of authorizations with a foreign language..

In any case I dislike online authorizations. With iLok you only need to install the software incase you break/upgrade a computer.

[RiF]

"No iLok required" doesn't exactly mean "We got rid of that iLok completely!".
Who said that Waves with ditch iLok support? Maybe their own system is just an option and iLok is still usable? Does anybody know?

BTW, my Pro Tools license is on my iLok and I will need this one anyway, so as long as Pro Tools is iLok'd and I don't switch to something else, I'll have an iLok around anyway... So it doesn't matter how much licenses it carries.

[manysounds]

Anything to stop the hacks. And I'll put this is the common tongue:

I might get LOICed for saying it but I'm done with the nOObs, pirates and hacks polluting this business. I had some bulletmagnet begging me for Waves hacks last week so he could "finish his record" that he needed the API channel strips so badly for. I was like, "just split the channel, overhype and compress the high end on one and re-combine them or something, it'll be close enough" and he gave me the blank look. The hacks have definitely encouraged the "twist knobs till it sounds OK (but is hellishly awful, actually)" culture. 90 plugins that users don't even understand... sheeesh. Kids be like, "Yo, you got the Waves man?" and I'm like, "Yes but I paid for mine" and they be laughing like, "Why buy them?" yet they're still doing nothing but polluting the local airwaves with mediocre drivel. You know what, fark them. I hope that the software engineers come up with a way that is un-hackable or some way to tag legit mixes in subcode (polluting the audio I guess) so that we could drag the pirate hacks over the coals when they try to go commercial

I don't mind the iLok so much. Losing a single USB port isn't so bad with a ~$35 8-port hub around but I do prefer the challenge/response type of copy-protection. Hackers, feh... Really have stolen the tools from us.

In other news: 64 bit! Woohoo!

/barely uses waves but wtf, woohoo anyway

[Rust Creep]

Originally Posted by manysounds

Anything to stop the hacks. And I'll put this is the common tongue:

I might get LOICed for saying it but I'm done with the nOObs, pirates and hacks polluting this business. I had some bulletmagnet begging me for Waves hacks last week so he could "finish his record" that he needed the API channel strips so badly for. I was like, "just split the channel, overhype and compress the high end on one and re-combine them or something, it'll be close enough" and he gave me the blank look. The hacks have definitely encouraged the "twist knobs till it sounds OK (but is hellishly awful, actually)" culture. 90 plugins that users don't even understand... sheeesh. Kids be like, "Yo, you got the Waves man?" and I'm like, "Yes but I paid for mine" and they be laughing like, "Why buy them?" yet they're still doing nothing but polluting the local airwaves with mediocre drivel. You know what, fark them. I hope that the software engineers come up with a way that is un-hackable or some way to tag legit mixes in subcode (polluting the audio I guess) so that we could drag the pirate hacks over the coals when they try to go commercial

I don't mind the iLok so much. Losing a single USB port isn't so bad with a ~$35 8-port hub around but I do prefer the challenge/response type of copy-protection. Hackers, feh... Really have stolen the tools from us.

In other news: 64 bit! Woohoo!

/barely uses waves but wtf, woohoo anyway

+1

I think it is part our responsibility to make illegitimate users of intellectual property feel like the assholes they are

They're the cause of increased costs in the IPs they steal and dangerous laws that are costly on more than just a monetary level

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[work2do]

Originally Posted by RiF

"No iLok required" doesn't exactly mean "We got rid of that iLok completely!".
Who said that Waves with ditch iLok support? Maybe their own system is just an option and iLok is still usable? Does anybody know?

BTW, my Pro Tools license is on my iLok and I will need this one anyway, so as long as Pro Tools is iLok'd and I don't switch to something else, I'll have an iLok around anyway... So it doesn't matter how much licenses it carries.

watch the waves naam video. iLok is done for waves. finished for waves. gone for waves. Maybe they will keep it as an option after customer feedback. I prefer the iLok myself.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by work2do

watch the waves naam video. iLok is done. finished. gone.

I hope you're right but unless Avid ditches them, it's wishful thinking. And you would still have to deal with Cubase and Vienna Instruments/VE PRO who use the deliciously bad Synchrosoft License Control USB key thing. Ugh.

[work2do]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

I hope you're right but unless Avid ditches them, it's wishful thinking. And you would still have to deal with Cubase and Vienna Instruments/VE PRO who use the deliciously bad Synchrosoft License Control USB key thing. Ugh.

I meant as far as Waves. Not done as in company done.

[gussyg2007]

Yeah looking forward to this scenario
"dude that mix you did for me ...the waves won't open on my computer"
me "oh you don't have V9 ?... then you should of BOUGHT them like i did !"

[skiltrip]

GTR3 is the only piece of software I use on a regular basis that requires iLok. I'd LOVE to be free of it someday soon. 64bit would be a nice treat too.

[kickinthedoors]

One of the best announcement in Namm 2012.

Pace Anti-Piracy should have transitioned into cloud based authorizations a long time ago if they were really the company they claim to be.The iLok concept is great, one place for all your licenses, I love it. iLok USB however is outdated and as you can see from the fact that 100% of iLok "protected" plugins have been cracked.

Now companies are going to offer their own cloud authorizations and we'll 10 different license authorization programs to deal with. Whose to blame? Pace Anti-Piracy for trying to pull a fast one with customers and not innovating. I detest companies like Pace, Pace CEO, do us all a favor go read the Steve Jobs book so you can learn how to many money while actually improving the customer experience and not just your pockets.

[Beano Bean]

Oh god, this will mean FOUR USB ports taken up for me (Steinberg, Reason, Ilok for Melodyne and USB stick for Waves) .

I also need to be mobile so i will need to do it this way.

At the moment i have a four way hub but my last place was handy for either my oxygen 8 or a flash drive for moving files. Looks like i'll have to invest in a second hub too

[Tube World]

Now we just need UAD to go 64 bit and we are pretty much all set.

[Jus]

No we're not... Soundtoys.

[krem]

I don`t get it. Waves announces 64 bit, finally, and all you guys care about is authorization.

[AcoosticZoo]

My guess is that, to implement ILOK2's copy protection processes is too labour intensive/costly for developers - yes it's more secure and harder to crack, but with greater complexity in the methods of copy protections comes more work when coding and testing.

Waves getting rid of ILOK2 is quite significant imho. I'm not happy with this prospect, eg. imagine every developer coming up with their own protection scheme. 10+ developers all with different USB dongles and internet auth = massive headache and sh**storm.

My current dongles = ilok2, syncro lock, Codemeter, and then Waves USB (when released) = too many. seriously?

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[thedomus]

From a user POV I would prefer computer/email/account based activations like XLN Audio or Sonalksis or... dare I say it NI's service centre!!!
For mobile use purrfect!

[rksguit]

I love the fact I don't have a single dongle doo dad[ all bought- email- code deal] via cakewalk/IK/NI/DC/+ 64 bit, and it just never crashes,or weirds out[32 did],however,the UA Waves hype is getting to me,and I wan't in,though it looks like "IT" will be a wait still.

Surely the stuff I have is enough?

If you have [already] a bunch of tools,for sound shaping,is UAD or Waves gonna be ANY different REALLY?

All apologies for for being a god damned[OLD] noob though

[Hammy Havoc]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

I always wonder what problems people have with iLOK. Been using them since they came out and never a problem. Plug into your computer, done.

Having it sticking out of your MacBook isn't too fun. I like the way you can move your licenses from computer to computer easily with iLOK, but if I want to open up a project file on the go then I get a little worried about breaking the USB port or iLOK. I am sure that someone else out there must be able to relate to that. Plus it is yet another thing to lose and now everything is on the cloud, it feels like it is time to move with the times, though I'm hoping we won't need a constant connection to the internet, that would be really annoying and make me wish for iLOK to return.

[dankin]

I have mixed feelings about waves moving from Ilok. The problem for me is I still have to use my Ilok for other things such as Protools, Mcdsp, Softube, Slate, ect then I also have a Steinberg Key. As well as all the plug ins I have that are challenge response. Now there will be yet another form of copy protection to deal with. Personally I'm not for using cloud based protection if it requires an internet connection. I travel a lot and I don't always have internet. Frankly it's the reason I haven't bought any of the SSL Duende native plugins. If they were Ilok or simple challenge/response I would have bought some of them because they do sound great. I personally have never had one single issue with Ilok over the years. At one time I had 3 Iloks going since then I've consolidated everything to one Ilok 2. That being said some company's do challenge/response really well such as Spectrasonics. I've never had a problem reauthorizing a Spectrasonics plug in when changing hard drives/OS and they allow you to have it installed on more than one computer provided you own it and are the user. Same thing with PSP. Company's need to have more respect for the legitimate end user. With out end users who buy their products they can't exist. I'm not aiming that at any particular company. Some treat their customers well and some don't.

[skiltrip]

Originally Posted by Hammy Havoc

Having it sticking out of your MacBook isn't too fun. I like the way you can move your licenses from computer to computer easily with iLOK, but if I want to open up a project file on the go then I get a little worried about breaking the USB port or iLOK. I am sure that someone else out there must be able to relate to that. Plus it is yet another thing to lose and now everything is on the cloud, it feels like it is time to move with the times, though I'm hoping we won't need a constant connection to the internet, that would be really annoying and make me wish for iLOK to return.

That's the same reason I ended up hating iLok eventually too. When I used nothing but a desktop tower in the studio, I loved iLok. I wished ALL my licenses were on that thing. I never had to authorized anything, it was all right there.

When I moved my main recording computer to a laptop, it instantly became a PITA. I'd occasionally forget it, so when I opened a session, and iLok protected plugins would become inactive. Plus having it in a laptop with no dongle is just dangerous for the laptop USB port and the iLok itself. I'm glad I never snapped it off, though I came close a few times. A dongle sort of helps that, but having stuff hanging off your laptop is lame too. THEN I switched from Pro Tools to Studio One, and needed the iLok even less. The only thing that was on it that I used was Waves stuff. And I've since moved to 64bit Studio One, so I don't even use the iLok anymore. Thankfully Waves will ditch the iLok, and I never have to use it again.

Again, desktop, iLok is wonderful, laptop, it sucks.

[SCDBM]

they should create a bluetooth iLok so you can keep it in your pocket or RJ11 one which you plug into your router

[goddfodder]

Originally Posted by SCDBM

they should create a bluetooth iLok so you can keep it in your pocket

That's about the best single idea Ive heard of in years!!

[goddfodder]

KVR: Waves Audio unveils V9 (Version 9) Plug-ins (incl. 64-bit; No iLok)

[GearNerd]

I just installed DMG Audio plugins to my MB. Really easy. Login into site, download plugin&authorization file, install, done!

No GdDmn USB sticks sticking out of my MB. (Except the Cubase dongle .)

Wish it could be this easy with all the companies. Respect to DMG Audio. I wish bad things for companies using dongle, they need to go down! Or change their policies.

But this Waves´s "solution" is even worse. Now I have to use extra USB stick in addition of the iLok, just to use my Waves plugins!

[mattrixx]

I don't think you read all of the information.. you'll be able to license the machine itself. Not stuck with iLok, usb stick, drive or otherwise. "Cloud based licensing"

[dio]

It's here!

Waves | Downloads | V8

[dio]

-Double Post-

[iain_m]

Originally Posted by GearNerd

I just installed DMG Audio plugins to my MB. Really easy. Login into site, download plugin&authorization file, install, done!

No GdDmn USB sticks sticking out of my MB. (Except the Cubase dongle .)

Wish it could be this easy with all the companies. Respect to DMG Audio. I wish bad things for companies using dongle, they need to go down! Or change their policies.

But this Waves´s "solution" is even worse. Now I have to use extra USB stick in addition of the iLok, just to use my Waves plugins!

No need for a USB stick if you don't want it - you can authorise the plugins to the hard drive if you like.

[mattrixx]

Originally Posted by iain_m

No need for a USB stick if you don't want it - you can authorise the plugins to the hard drive if you like.

I'm on a Mac and haven't worked out how to authorise the MacHD. Apparently the drive needs to be FAT32 for WLC to see it... so on a USB stick for now.

[philait]

So are they 64bit?
That's what been stopping my purchases not the licensing.