The good things Logic has which Cubase hasn't

[Roger Starr]

OK, since we have the other thread, now the other way around then.

Please, respond when you do know both DAW's good. Thanx.

Regards,

Roger

[KorgAddict]

Good call!! Well, i just copied and pasted my reply to the other thread(deleting what i find great in Cubase, go to the other thread to find it out) and changed it a bit for a better read. Now, if all the other DAWs users start a similar thread comparing their DAW to Cubase or Logic, we're in for a long year How many possibilities does that make??

For me, those are the things i got used to Logic that don't seem to be in Cubase or other DAWs:
- The concept of Aliases: You record a 1-bar drum loop and duplicate it, say, 10 times on the track. Later on, you realize that the hi-hat note on the second beat needs to have its velocity changed. You change it and all your aliases are updated. No need to change it on the 10 duplicates.

- Plug-in linked window. You have a window showing the soft synth on the selected track. Select another track and the window updates to show the soft synth on the new selected track.

- Real-time Quantize settings of both 1/16 and 1/12 or any binary and triplets values. The other DAWs seems to have all of those of course but never both at the same time.

-EXS24 sampler, ES2 and all the other soft synths in Logic. If you take the time to learn how to use them, you can go a long way before having to buy third-party stuff.

- The "Garage Band" way of looping a region. At first, i found it funny. Now, I couldn't live without it. PT now have that.

- The Marquee Tool. Infinite possibilities!

- Resizing of the Logic plugins windows: Probably of no use to most, but for me since my second monitor is my laptop screen, it's less difficult on the eyes to make the plugin GUI bigger when it's on my MBP screen. My main screen is closer to my position than the MBP.

- The way the channel strip adds an insert or send slot each time you add one. No need to see 8 inserts or sends slots at a time. Saves a lot of space on the inspector.

KA

[pasarireng]

I just posted in the other thread

This is my very personal view:

I've been using Cubase (PC) for years.. But I always feel that the sound of Logic is better somehow than Cubase.. I did much compare listen session.. And I almost can't believe myself that I feel that..

So that's the main reason few months ago I start learn to use Logic (I also still use my Cubase on my PC, alongside PT 9 on both platforms).

Also I love Logic's Instruments and effects more than Cubase's (I have many 3rd party VSTi and VSTfx plugins in my Cubase PC)

So far I find that Logic is harder to learn than Cubase.. But I'm happy

[muziksculp]

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[valis]

These threads are flamebait imo but here's a cut & paste from what I posted in the other thread (and I own both apps as well as others):


I actually prefer Nuendo/Cubase for some audio editing tasks and v6 has quite a few features that go beyond what Logic offers, but Logic's objective nature overall still makes it unique and gives it a unique depth

For instance The Environment...which may seem needlessly complex compared to midi plugins to some, but is still far far simpler than Max/PD or Bidule and yet flexible enough to offer a lot of uses to someone who uses a lot of midi

Logic can convert between Track Automation & Object Automation (embed the data in mid parts where it can be manipulated as midi via gui functions/transformers etc) and then back to Track Automation.

While the lack of moving several tracks easily annoys some, the opportunities that Logic's track objects presents do offer a lot that Cubase doesn't. Since they're based on envifonrment objects (the 'tracks' are not instanced per mixer channel/environment object) you can have multiple tracks assigned to a single object which has advantages when it comes to viewing complex automation setups (duplicate a track two more times so that 3 params are always visible when hitting A to view automation) or splitting midi/audio out to one track object with automation viewed & edited on 1 or more separate objects.

In Line with the objective nature of tracks, Logic's folders are object based not track based and can be edited/copied/looped/trimmed as any other part (nondestructively in many cases even), while this doesn't accomplish the 'same thing' as cubase/nuendo, in use it's more like the Arranger Track in v5 and is more flexible even so has other uses beyond just that. In fact combine that with the ability to convert simple track automation moves to midi parts (object automation) and then pack a few folders with said automation, and you can not only do what the Cubase v5 Arranger track can do in terms of blocking out midi & audio parts...but you can do the same thing for your automation as well. So wobble fans don't need to automation between LFO types and setup breakpoint automation in NI plugins alone, but can just do the same tricks right in Logic by embedding the curves into objects and manipulating those filter sweeps/etc from there.

hybrid mix engine which has the benefit of providing more resources to some workflows, though presents core loading issues for others (live input monitoring, playing heavy VI's with multiple parts in a single instance, multiple musicians providing midi input at the same time...etc)

For Mac App Store users, it currently has a price advantage

[Murphster]

A $199 price tag.

[thehightenor]

A shorter thread.

tht

[Quantum7]

Originally Posted by KorgAddict

- The concept of Aliases: You record a 1-bar drum loop and duplicate it, say, 10 times on the track. Later on, you realize that the hi-hat note on the second beat needs to have its velocity changed. You change it and all your aliases are updated. No need to change it on the 10 duplicates.

KA

That can be done with Cubase.

Originally Posted by Murphster

A $199 price tag.

Well, you get what you pay for.

[Resonance5]

Originally Posted by Quantum7

That can be done with Cubase.

how...?

[inthere]

Phase locked multitrack editing and automation for both audio and midi.
Better performance in OSX
Better multicore and hyper threading support
More VI's, loops, and plugins
nodes

[claesbjo]

Low latency monitoring/hybrid buffer(makes it possible to do low latency tracking thru logic even if the mix is having lots of plug-ins) and Varispeed. Indispensable features IMO.

cheers

[LdC]

Originally Posted by Resonance5

how...?

The easiest way is to hold Alt+Shift while dragging a clip

[Marcus909]

Originally Posted by LdC

The easiest way is to hold Alt+Shift while dragging a clip

That's awesome... I never knew I could do that with Cubase

[PaPi61]

Originally Posted by inthere

Better performance in OSX

Non sequitur. Compared to what? There is no Logic for Windows.

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by PaPi61

Non sequitur. Compared to what? There is no Logic for Windows.

I think he means that you have better performance with Logic than Cubase if you are on OSX. Dont know if this is true though. Would be interesting if someone could make 2 identical arrangements with both instruments and audio on both hosts, using the same 3 party AU:s, and compare...

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by inthere

Phase locked multitrack editing and automation for both audio and midi.
Better performance in OSX
Better multicore and hyper threading support
More VI's, loops, and plugins
nodes

Which version of Cubase are you comparing Logic 9 to? Cubase SX3? Cubase 4?
Cubase 6 interestingly has all things that you mention and works even slicker in my opinion than Logic. And I have them both, use them both, I haven't seen a fellow do it, it's personal experience.
As far as the performance is concerned, I have them both running on the same machine and their performance is at least comparable while Logic is more prone to crash.

Now, one thing that I LOVE about Logic is the score. I can play a completely live part, not quantized, and the score looks clean and comprehensive without me having to perform a single click. In Cubase scores do not make musical sense until you perform settings for EVERY track. I hate that.

Another thing I like about logic is that its included plugins are really creative. I like the many options for delays, distortion etc and it has an EQ with a spectrum analyzer built in (that said, Cubase's EQ sounds much better imo).

One more thing is that Logic has a SAMPLER. Cubase only has Groove agent one which is fantastic but it is not a real sampler. Not that I really like or would ever be able to work in a horrible looking sampler like EXS, but at least, it's there when you want it , as a tool.

[inthere]

Originally Posted by PaPi61

Non sequitur. Compared to what? There is no Logic for Windows.

Running version 6.05 on my Mac pro Cubase uses only 2 of 8 cores. On my Macbook Pro Cubase doesn't recognize virtual cores(hyper threading). In Logic you can assign cores and virtual cores. For high track count projects Logic is definitely preferable.

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by inthere

Running version 6.05 on my Mac pro Cubase uses only 2 of 8 cores. On my Macbook Pro Cubase doesn't recognize virtual cores(hyper threading). In Logic you can assign cores and virtual cores. For high track count projects Logic is definitely preferable.

If you use Cubase 6.05 how cah you say this:

Phase locked multitrack editing and automation for both audio and midi.

Don't want to be harsh or anything but these features are killer in Cubase and have been heavily advertised as well. Since you use Cubase there are a lot of things you are missing or you haven't found out yet. Needless to say they are not hidden like in Logic, they are very obvious and straightforward.

[Karloff70]

Does Cubase do the beautiful 'turn into sampler instrument' that turns a bit of audio into a midi file and accompanying EXS24 with a program with the original audio chopped and now playing back from the sampler in one key stroke? I presume not......does any other DAW?

[The Beatsmith]

I think this thread reveals that Logic is due an update...

(I'm a logic user)

[redroom]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

Does Cubase do the beautiful 'turn into sampler instrument' that turns a bit of audio into a midi file and accompanying EXS24 with a program with the original audio chopped and now playing back from the sampler in one key stroke? I presume not......does any other DAW?

Well Cuabse does have the ability to drag samples from the arrange page into groove agent one. Also you can hitpoint audio and drag to Groove agent and it will be all mapped you can then drag a midi file from groove agent.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by redroom

Well Cuabse does have the ability to drag samples from the arrange page into groove agent one. Also you can hitpoint audio and drag to Groove agent and it will be all mapped you can then drag a midi file from groove agent.

So you can achieve the same result with a number of moves at least. Thanks for letting me know! Not quite as sweet as a one move operation, mind.

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

So you can achieve the same result with a number of moves at least. Thanks for letting me know! Not quite as sweet as a one move operation, mind.

Like other fundamental functions that you perform every day is one click case in Cubase and number of steps in Logic. Multiple tracks fades for example is so much more elegant in Cubase, no special tool required and no fiddling with the inspector. The point of this thread is what feature Logic has that Cubase doesn't. And the OP clearly stated that he wants replies from users who use BOTH programs.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Ivorydom

Like other fundamental functions that you perform every day is one click case in Cubase and number of steps in Logic. Multiple tracks fades for example is so much more elegant in Cubase, no special tool required and no fiddling with the inspector. The point of this thread is what feature Logic has that Cubase doesn't. And the OP clearly stated that he wants replies from users who use BOTH programs.

Ok, ok, come off the high horse and I'll get out of the thread. Fact remains, Cubase has no function like the one I mentioned (only a workaround), whether I use Cubase or not.

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

Ok, ok, come off the high horse and I'll get out of the thread. Fact remains, Cubase has no function like the one I mentioned (only a workaround), whether I use Cubase or not.

What high horse? I don't work for Steinberg and you don't work for Apple I suppose. If you see some threads up you can see that I say what I love about logic and hate about Cubase. I use them both. You obviously don't (kudos for at least not pretending you do which some people do). I am not accusing you for posting.

But.. The function you mentioned can be done in Cubase in three clicks instead of one. Ok, fair enough but it is not a workaround, it is a very well implemented feature. How can you judge without having even used the program?

[rksguit]

Originally Posted by Ivorydom

you don't work for Apple

Someone ere does! Gee I wonder who it is?

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by PaPi61

Non sequitur. Compared to what? There is no Logic for Windows.

It's not a non sequitur anyway.

[KorgAddict]

I don't know if someone mentioned it, but the Hybrid buffer architecture of Logic is very efficent. I had to download the Cubase 6 demo some time ago because i lost my Cubase guru at work. So, i said to myself, i'll download the demo and try to learn as much in the 30-days window. Using some heayduty VIs, it wasn't long i had to raise the buffer to make crackles and pops disappear. Using the same computer with the same VIs in Logic wasn't a problem.

For those who don't know, Logic has 2 buffers, one for active tracks(meaning the ones with the rec button enabled) and one for the playback tracks. The playback one can be set to either 512,1024 or 2048 and the active tracks's one from 32 to 1024. This also has its downsides, but most of the time, it's a better architecture, IMO.

KA

[LdC]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

So you can achieve the same result with a number of moves at least. Thanks for letting me know! Not quite as sweet as a one move operation, mind.

Ableton Live has something like this too with the "Slice to New MIDI Track" feature.

[PaPi61]

Originally Posted by inthere

Running version 6.05 on my Mac pro Cubase uses only 2 of 8 cores. On my Macbook Pro Cubase doesn't recognize virtual cores(hyper threading). In Logic you can assign cores and virtual cores. For high track count projects Logic is definitely preferable.

"Cubase 4 will run all 8 cores of a dual quad Mac"

Programs that actually use all 4 cores of a quad core chip - CPUs - CPU-Components

"Cubase 5 and Nuendo 4 both support 8-core technology."

https://www.steinberg.net/en/support...wledgebase_pi1[keyword_search]=Multi-processing