The good things Cubase has which Logic hasn't

[sunez]

I'm using Logic 9.1.6 right now,

Recently I was watching a few tutorials on Youtube, the person was using Cubase (tuts weren't about Cubase though). There was this feature called Edit In-Place, this looked so handy when they were composing, I was thinking I wish Logic had something like that! I've also heard of Expression Maps - though know what they're about.

I'm not really a Cubase user, though I've heard the work flow it really good.

What is there in Cubase that you wish was in Logic as well.

[Abstract520]

Nothing really. I'm happy with what my daw (logic) does. I can make music on it, that's what matters the most to me.

[Ivorydom]

I use them both when I work on a Mac.

I cannot think of all the things at once but:

Audio editing. IMO far superior in Cubase. I find sample editor in Logic horrible. Multiple tracks fade out in Cubase is as easy as selecting the tracks and dragging. In logic you have to use a tool and you can perform a fade in one track at a time
Variaudio built in pitch correction. No plugins, no offline rendering in the background.
Proper vu meters in the mixer
Offline effects processing
Better pitch shift/time stretch algorithms by far (elastique)
For me midi workflow is better in Cubase. VST expression is a timesaver if you work with libraries.

Might think more when I am not so sleepy...

[shanabit]

Volume adjustment on the audio event itself. Saves me a TON of time.

[danika]

Originally Posted by sunez

I also heard of Expression Maps - though know what they're about.

Expression maps are great if you do a lot of work with VI's that use articulations. You don't have to remember that C0 is legato, C#0 is staccato, etc. You can use the actual music names in the key editor and score editor. Best for orchestral VI's but also good for instruments like Trillian.

[interstella]

Originally Posted by shanabit

Volume adjustment on the audio event itself. Saves me a TON of time.

Not positive this is what you're talking about, but if you select an audio region you can adjust gain in the region parameter box on the left in the Inspector.

that help?

[muziksculp]

Also Unique to Cubase 6 is the new 'Note Expression' .

I also like to use the 'Arranger Track' in Cubase, which does not exist in Logic Pro 9. I also think that 'Loop Mash' is another unique Cubase feature to jam/experiment with multiple Loops, and make them Groove together in interesting ways, another feature not in Logic Pro 9.

imho. 'Reverence' which is Cubase 6's Impulse Response Convolution Reverb sounds much better than Logic Pro 9's 'Space Designer', Yes, I used both.

Oh... There are a lots of other features that I did not mention, but you can check what Cubase 6 offers here : What's New

PLUS ... Cubase 6 is multi-platform (Mac and PC) Which Logic Pro 9 can't do

[PaPi61]

VST EXPRESSION!! It makes all the difference in the world. Unless, of course, you don't use MIDI at all.

[Ivorydom]

Oh, let's not forget Cubase's always NON destructive audio editing.
The fact that I hate about logic is that it gives you too many chances to discard audio recordings or destructively process audio if you are not careful. I have never lost an audio file in Cubase everything is laid neatly in the Pool.

[frans]

Latency compensation on sidechain signals. Last time I looked, Logic still wasn't there.

[unit13]

Cubase 4 life! haha

[crazec]

Ive got both on the mac and i find Cubase 6 is more stable than Logic 9. I had alot of crashes with Logic and with no auto save, it was a royal pain. Also, the piano roll in cubase is much better. When you press a key on your midi keyboard, it shows up on the piano in cubase. You can even highlight all notes in the piano roll and move them up and down the octaves to suit your needs.

[itsyourself]

Originally Posted by Ivorydom

I use them both when I work on a Mac.

Multiple tracks fade out in Cubase is as easy as selecting the tracks and dragging. In logic you have to use a tool and you can perform a fade in one track at a time

Select all the regions you want to fade in/out. Use the parameters box to fade in/out to your requirements on all tracks. done.

[sbackdoor]

I have Logic. I sat next to an experienced Cubase user the other day, he had it on a Mac. Man was that thing snappy! As in GUI snappy. The pianoroll behaved SO much more the way I'd want it in Logic.
Audio editor in Logic is horrific, the one in Cubase seemed a lot better. I might make the leap if nothing happens to Logic anytime soon...

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by itsyourself

Select all the regions you want to fade in/out. Use the parameters box to fade in/out to your requirements on all tracks. done.

Thanks for the heads up, I work in Logic frequently and I wanted a way to do this.

That said, I still believe is NOT an elegant or intuitive way to perform multiple fades. Far from that. I would at least expect a procedure like select the fade tool, select the tracks , drag , done. But no. Logic is just not LOGIC in many aspects.

[quadrafunk]

Cubase has Control Room that lets you set up and send out different headphone/monitor mixes. You can implement talkback and metronome also.

[muziksculp]

Something to think about... maybe not what you actually are asking in your post. but I feel it is worth mentioning here.

Steinberg is owned by YAMAHA, one of the primary players in the professional audio world. Steinberg is dedicated to producing great, and professional music production tools, YAMAHA complements Steinberg with its Hardware design, and manufacturing experience, and other R&D know-how in the field of audio production, Instruments such as Synths, Keyboards, Worksations, Mixing consoles, DSP-Effects both plug-ins and hardware, Audio Interfaces, ....etc.

Steinberg also offers other complementary software for Cubase/Nuendo such as Halion 4 (sampler), VST effects such as their new Portico EQ/Compressor, and Vintage VST line, Halion Sonic, and other misc. sample libraries.

i.e. YAMAHA's Motif Line of keyboards/modules also integrates nicely with Cubase via software.

Logic Pro 9 is owned by Apple, which imho. is NOT a pro-audio focused company. So there is a price to pay when it comes to support and development, as you can see, LP9 is a classic example of slow development, and poor customer support (if any).

I guess that kind of paints a general picture of why I decided to switch from LP9 to Cubase 6, besides all the great features Cubase 6 offers.

Oh.. and if you need to work in the world of audio/ post production, Nuendo 5 is a great DAW also made by Steinberg. I would guess that Nuendo 6 is not too far to be announced, maybe Winter NAMM 2012, or a little while after that. Both Cubase 6 and Nuendo 5 share a lot features, and interfacing, so learning Cubase 6, would give you a head start, to move smoothly into Nuendo 5.

[dankin]

Originally Posted by interstella

Not positive this is what you're talking about, but if you select an audio region you can adjust gain in the region parameter box on the left in the Inspector.

that help?

True but Logic doesn't update the waveform view and it's quicker to just grab the volume handle and move it up or down in Cubase.

[bastawa]

i have both cubase6/logic 9. there are tons of features cubase have that logic misses. but somehow i work 95% in logic. why is that? (i've been using cubase since atari st and i've used all pc versions so it's not that i'm new to cubase)

[Faun]

Is this really a fair comparison as one costs twice what the other costs? A bit like comparing Magix Music Maker to Ableton Live.

[dcrigger]

Originally Posted by muziksculp

Something to think about... maybe not what you actually are asking in your post. but I feel it is worth mentioning here.

Steinberg is owned by YAMAHA, one of the primary players in the professional audio world. Steinberg is dedicated to producing great, and professional music production tools, YAMAHA complements Steinberg with its Hardware design, and manufacturing experience, and other R&D know-how in the field of audio production, Instruments such as Synths, Keyboards, Worksations, Mixing consoles, DSP-Effects both plug-ins and hardware, Audio Interfaces, ....etc.

Steinberg also offers other complementary software for Cubase/Nuendo such as Halion 4 (sampler), VST effects such as their new Portico EQ/Compressor, and Vintage VST line, Halion Sonic, and other misc. sample libraries.

i.e. YAMAHA's Motif Line of keyboards/modules also integrates nicely with Cubase via software.

Logic Pro 9 is owned by Apple, which imho. is NOT a pro-audio focused company. So there is a price to pay when it comes to support and development, as you can see, LP9 is a classic example of slow development, and poor customer support (if any).

I guess that kind of paints a general picture of why I decided to switch from LP9 to Cubase 6, besides all the great features Cubase 6 offers.

Oh.. and if you need to work in the world of audio/ post production, Nuendo 5 is a great DAW also made by Steinberg. I would guess that Nuendo 6 is not too far to be announced, maybe Winter NAMM 2012, or a little while after that. Both Cubase 6 and Nuendo 5 share a lot features, and interfacing, so learning Cubase 6, would give you a head start, to move smoothly into Nuendo 5.

Sorry - your Steinberg/Yamaha vs. Apple makes little to no sense. As the developers of the primary audio/video/art/print computer platforms since the genesis of pros integrating computers into their work in each of the fields, dinging them for not being more pro-audio focused makes about as much sense as dinging Yamaha for being one of the largest manufacturers of motorcycles in the world. And farm equipment. And snowmobiles.

Yamaha owns Steinberg, just as Apple owns Emagic - two big, multi-product based corporations buying two small music software companies. The fact that Apple decided to not continue using the Emagic name really has little bearing on the ongoing development of products at either company.

In both cases, many of the principals from the original companies are still very much involved.

David

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by frans

Latency compensation on sidechain signals. Last time I looked, Logic still wasn't there.

Sidechain signals are latency compensated in Logic these days..fixed in 9.1.2

cheers

[muziksculp]

Originally Posted by dcrigger

Sorry - your Steinberg/Yamaha vs. Apple makes little to no sense. As the developers of the primary audio/video/art/print computer platforms since the genesis of pros integrating computers into their work in each of the fields, dinging them for not being more pro-audio focused makes about as much sense as dinging Yamaha for being one of the largest manufacturers of motorcycles in the world. And farm equipment. And snowmobiles.

Yamaha owns Steinberg, just as Apple owns Emagic - two big, multi-product based corporations buying two small music software companies. The fact that Apple decided to not continue using the Emagic name really has little bearing on the ongoing development of products at either company.

In both cases, many of the principals from the original companies are still very much involved.

David

With all due respect, I think your point is off-target.

Apple is no YAMAHA, when it comes to pro-audio and music products, YAMAHA has been around way much longer in this field than Apple. NO comparison !

Just like YAMAHA is no APPLE, when it comes to designing, and selling computers, with their unique Operating System. and commercial iGadgets (these days).

[schmuck]

Originally Posted by Faun

Is this really a fair comparison as one costs twice what the other costs? A bit like comparing Magix Music Maker to Ableton Live.

Yeah, but that's only because with Logic, you will have to buy the computer as well from the same company. But seriously, I think both belong to the "mature DAW" group and thus are exactly what a user wants to compare.

[schmuck]

Originally Posted by shanabit

Volume adjustment on the audio event itself. Saves me a TON of time.

On top of this, you can draw in a volume curve on the waveform/audio event itself (just switch to edit tool and move cursor over event). This can be very handy to edit a little peak here and there, and the overall volume adjustment of the event still works proportionally.

[muziksculp]

Logic used to cost $1000.

[dcrigger]

Originally Posted by muziksculp

With all due respect, I think your point is off-target.

Apple is no YAMAHA, when it comes to pro-audio and music products, YAMAHA has been around way much longer in this field than Apple. NO comparison !

Just like YAMAHA is no APPLE, when it comes to designing, and selling computers, with their unique Operating System. and commercial iGadgets (these days).

I think you missed the point I was trying to make, which is the history of either parent company in this example really doesn't figure into it at all. As Cubase and Logic were neither one of them developed by their now parent companies - for either of both of these companies, it took out right buying Steinberg and Emagic to bring a full featured DAW to market.

If anything, I would find this more of an embarrassment to Yamaha music/pro audio divisions as with their extensive involvement in these fields, you'd think they would've been capable of this long ago. But obviously not. Thus buying Steinberg, to FINALLY get it happening.

On the other hand, focusing on Apple's "iGadgets" endeavors is convenient way of dismissing their years of successful Pro application developments - Final Cut, Aperture, Logic, etc..

But honestly this isn't an argument worth winning, because all either parent company have significantly contributed to Cubase and Logic is deeper pockets so that their original creators could continue developing their software with the constant fear of their small companies going out of business.

Maybe over time Cubase or Logic with inherit Yamaha or Apple's pedigree, but at this point both of them are very much more the product of their original parents Steinberg and Emagic.

Or to be more clear, of all the myriad feature and performance differences to be considered in order to choose between Cubase and Logic - factoring in their manufacturer by Yamaha vs. Apple is about the silliest I can imagine.

But hey, if it was a factor for you... cool.

David

[muziksculp]

well.... The bottom line is very simple ,

If a producer/musician is using Logic Pro 9, and is very pleased with the way APPLE is handling development, and support, then he/she should use it, and keep supporting the company (APPLE) to keep its development moving forward.

I feel I made the right decision choosing Steinberg over Apple for Pro-Audio Software. Based on my logical observations, and facts, which I already mentioned, and will continue buying their products, to support them as a loyal customer to move forward.

Cheers, and New Year !

Muziksculp

[thehightenor]

The good things Cubase has which Logic hasn't
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[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by thehightenor

The good things Cubase has which Logic hasn't
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Development.

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+1000
...ah and midi plugins :-)