The good things Cubase has which Logic hasn't

[KorgAddict]

Since version 9, Logic has the right click fonction to show all the tools on the upper side, the edit and fonction on the lower side and there's a middle side that keeps, i think, the last 5 fonctions you used, so if you want it again, they're right there.

KA

[Marcus909]

Originally Posted by KorgAddict

Now, i don't want to rain on your parade but, on your list, after the Control Room feature, i wouldn't say that Logic doesn't have those, though. If the thread title was "Things Cubase does more elegently than Logic" , i would agree with your list. But, after Control Room, Logic does all that, differently, IMO.

I see your point KA, but within some of the features on the list that "Cubase does more elegantly" there are features that "Logic doesn't have" (like user created searchable categories in the Media Bay). On the other hand for example, I'm not sure if there is anything that you can't do in Logic's environment that you can do using any of Cubase's midi plugins... I could be wrong though.

Its interesting, this thread has made me realize something... out of all the DAWs I think Cubase and Logic are probably more similar to each other than any other two DAWs on the market right now!

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by Marcus909

Its interesting, this thread has made me realize something... out of all the DAWs I think Cubase and Logic are probably more similar to each other than any other two DAWs on the market right now!

True. I work daily on Mac Pro's which have Logic, Cubase, Digital Performer and Pro Tools installed. Logic and CubAse feel so similar (of course the biggest resemblance to Cubase is Studio One) , whereas DP and Pro Tools are completely different. Needless to say I prefer both Cubase/Logic over the others, although DP has some neat features for scoring to picture.

[Ivorydom]

And just to be fair... I believe that Halion 4 is non-comparable to EXS. Totally different league. BUT: Halion 4 is a separate product that you PAY for. EXS is free sampler that comes with Logic. As I said in the "Logic does better" tread, at least Logic HAS a sampler. I still criticize Steinberg for not including one in Cubase.

[windmillsound]

Listen to you all!!! You know, people did used to manage with a desk and a multi-track tape machine. There are even people on this forum who swear they are better and who are clammering for them to be brought back. (not me, I love DAWs) So you've got x editing tool? good for you, now you can even make x pub-singer-with-no-talent in time and in tune? result! I hope you are proud.

It isn't more features that you need. Its better songs, better performers, better ears, and better imagination.

[dxavier]

Originally Posted by unit13

Cubase 4 life! haha

VERY wise words.

I have used many other DAW's, including Logic extensively, but I have found the audio editing, midi editing and especially the automation editing within Cubase 4 to be superior to Logic.

Yes, of course, you can make music in any DAW, but Cubase 4 for me, has a very simple basic workflow and it gets the job done fast. I also have Cubase 5 and 6, but find that many features are more stable, focused and simpler within 4.

4 for life too!!

[norbury brook]

Originally Posted by windmillsound

(not me, I love DAWs) So you've got x editing tool? good for you, now you can even make x pub-singer-with-no-talent in time and in tune? result! I hope you are proud.

It isn't more features that you need. Its better songs, better performers, better ears, and better imagination.

could help but agree with this, almost all the things that have been added to the humble DAW over the last few years are tools for making poor performances sound better. In 10 years of producing on a DAW I've almost never needed to quantise a multitack drum part or any other audio part for that matter, I'll tidy up a mistake to a great take if need be but 99% of musicians I know can redo a take or drop in quicker than the editing process.

Its amazing when you have a great song played by great musicians how easy it is to mix, you don't need loads of plugins/automation or editing.

Anyway sorry to go OT.

MC

[thehightenor]

I'm just woking in Cubase 6 now.

I had a fade done in the editor on the bass at the end of a song and after a few days living with it I decided that the fade was too late and need to be a bar earlier.

So I went back into the editor on the bass file, opened the off-line process history and removed the fade .... but, and this is the brilliant bit about "everything" Cubase the light blue selection area where I started and ended the fade magically re-appeared ready for me to see where the old fade was and to simply drag the selection a bit further back and re-do the fade. This is days after making the original fade.

Cubase seems to have the ability to know what I need and what I want to do next.

I just never get that feeling from Logic. The workflow in Logic seems lost within itself.

tht

[vinvanda]

thing I like about Cubase is that it runs on Windows 7

[Ivorydom]

Originally Posted by mixonlyITB

Logic destructive editing blows pipes.

I've lost many good takes with it!

It's outdated with the rest of logic's old ass codes!

Great sequencer though,the audio side is the worst of the bunch ,fact!

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Agreed 100%

[Marcus909]

Another "thing Cubase has which Logic hasn't" is scalable automation. This is a new feature introduced in Cubase 6.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by mixonlyITB

Logic destructive editing blows pipes.

I've lost many good takes with it!

Why don't you use non-destructive editing (or Undo) then?

[4damind]

Yes, the new feature to move/scale automation curves is very great.
There are some very innovative things Steinberg implemented the last versions. 2013 I expect a big change with the GUI with Cubase 7. Hopefully the MDI interface will be replaced with a 1-windows interface.

[valis]

Originally Posted by mixonlyITB

If I do,is there a way logic will erase unused audio files?

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You can cleanup intermediate files in the bin & rebuild fades command. Really all you need to do is 'create new audio file from clip' or whatever the command is, set it to a keybind and press it as a sort of 'save state' periodically. Saving a few versions (at minimum) of your main project is always a good idea too no? Plus I tend to process things sometimes until they turn into paper thin shit and then back off 1-2 steps, decide to take whatever I had at that point that sounded 'best' and toss it into a sampler or etc... This sort of workflow doesn't work well with the 'always editable nondestructive' never willing to commit sort of thing so there's advantages to having to commit to edits at times as well imo...limiting one set of options can open up others regardless of the toolset (DAW) imo.

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by mixonlyITB

Thankz valis!

I'm surprised no one mentioned how smooth cubase punch ins and outs are,compared to jerky logic.

And the way cubase mute input,with lowering the fader like logic...

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Yeah Logic has been iffy on punch ins for many many years. Can't believe it's still doing it but it is.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

Yeah Logic has been iffy on punch ins for many many years.

What kind of problems do you have?

[zephonic]

I like Cubase/Nuendo better for just about everything, but Logic still rules with MIDI timing. Stuff just feels tighter and groovier there, more like an MPC or something.

But as an allround ITB solution, Steinberg software owns the show.

[aaronsmith]

Originally Posted by samicide

cubase has been doing this forever.

yes it asks you do you want to change this one or all of them!

[Johnny Wrong]

Originally Posted by Faun

Is this really a fair comparison as one costs twice what the other costs? A bit like comparing Magix Music Maker to Ableton Live.

Logic only costs half because of the expensive dongle needed to run it, so yes it is fair to compare them.

[Beyersound]

Originally Posted by Johnny Wrong

Logic only costs half because of the expensive dongle needed to run it, so yes it is fair to compare them.

Excellent point!

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by 4damind

Yes, the new feature to move/scale automation curves is very great.
There are some very innovative things Steinberg implemented the last versions.

It's not really their innovation, the "scaler" thing. You can see it here from almost two years ago...

News - Musikmesse 2010: Presonus update Studio One

Still pretty cool though.

[4damind]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

It's not really their innovation, the "scaler" thing. You can see it here from almost two years ago...

News - Musikmesse 2010: Presonus update Studio One

Still pretty cool though.

Don't forget that Wolfgang Kundrus who developed Studio One is a formerly Steinberg developer for Nuendo. There will be some brainstorming stuff from Steinberg (not implemented in the older versions) he adopted later for Studio One.

[Lawrence]

I suppose it's possible. They're all ex-Steiny employees but (I think) most parted ways with Steiny quite a few years back. Kundrus had been with Kristal Labs since at least '06 and maybe since '04, so dunno. I can't find an actual bio on the guy.

I think Steiny saw it in S1 1.5 and adopted it for Cubase 6. Not unusual, they all copy each other.

Anyway, nice feature for both. Back to Logic v. Cubase. :-)

[mista min]

Originally Posted by Ivorydom

And just to be fair... I believe that Halion 4 is non-comparable to EXS. Totally different league. BUT: Halion 4 is a separate product that you PAY for. EXS is free sampler that comes with Logic. As I said in the "Logic does better" tread, at least Logic HAS a sampler. I still criticize Steinberg for not including one in Cubase.

I have tried Halion 4 and Cubase 6. Just not my cup of tea. But it would be nice to be able to work in 32 bit float.

[Exca]

Here comes a very subjective reply:

When reading this thread, and comparisations on other places on the internet, i notice logic users mainly speaking about the instruments logic ships with are inferior to cubase's. I think that is true. But do you really use them that much? I mean, apart from the ES2 i mainly use my own AU's. And is that the only point where Logic is inferior to Cubase. IMO, yes.

I've worked on cubase SX2, SX3, 4, 5... and two years in Logic now.
And indeed, Logic is more simple, it has an easier layout, sends and inserts is kids stuff. But to me, cubase is easier in its complexity and logic is a pain in it's simplicity. And hence it's a sequencer, it is not intended to be simple in the first place.

After getting to know Logic quite well there are still some things missing to me and they are already mentioned many times... "Cubase does easier audio editing" (and yes, that's what it must do, it's a sequencer allright), "track folders", "more flexible automation" (it gets messed up sometimes, but still) and "lossless audio editing". Also, i really like the built-in dynamics of Cubase. It's personal, but my tracks sound good in cubase right away and i never get them to sound like that in Logic. My bad though i guess.

I also notice only around 30% of the people that have worked with cubase, being totally satisfied about Logic, though mentioning cubase was easier on some points, those point that i just mentioned above. Well, if you make simple house/dance tracks, i think that shouln't be a problem.

That's actually the reason why i changed to Logic, as many dance/house/electro whatever producers were using it too in my environment.
But the music industry evoluates and IMO, dance/house music goes more complex, check out dubstep... i see many of those producers stepping away from Logic as other DAW's can deal better with complex tracks, and with all my love for Logic, because i actually really like it, i'm now going to step away from it too. Logic isn't at the same spot as it was yesterday, and neither are the others. I also see FL studio growing into the music industry standards. To me, Cubase is a far more advanced sequencer and for that i'm not going to use Logic that often anymore.

But at the end, the first DAW you ever get to learn is mostlikely the DAW you will like the most, i'm sure.

And also: it's not because you have an Apple computer, you SHOULD use Logic because else you could just have gotten a PC (really, i think this lives in the head of many Apple producers, in mine too, i admit).

[6strings]

Originally Posted by thehightenor

The workflow in Logic seems lost within itself.

tht

Same as it ever was...

[claesbjo]

Originally Posted by cup-of-coffee

I keep hearing that people are ditching Logic and going elsewhere???

Could be so amongst newbies/amateurs but not amongst pros..I mean, you don´t ditch a software that you have invested maybe 10-15 years in learning for something similar. It is just too much a waste of time.

Not saying there hasn´t been times when I wanted to do the same...But at the end of the day, when you are an advanced user you end up missing so many things (even if they are there in other incarnations/workarounds) so you go "meh... back to Logic "

[Beyersound]

PC support..............