Logic Pro 7 Delay Compensation?

[chrisrulesmore]

Does Logic Pro 7 have automatic plug in delay compensation? Also, can one use third party plug ins with Logic, such as the Waves bundles?

-Chris

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by chrisrulesmore

Does Logic Pro 7 have automatic plug in delay compensation? Also, can one use third party plug ins with Logic, such as the Waves bundles?

-Chris

Logic Pro 7 is the best program on the planet !

It can do all that you asked about and a lot more

[WindWalker]

Yes it has delay compensation and you can use 3rd party plugs that are written for audio units or VST if you have the FXpansion VST to AU (audiounit) wrapper.

[IMS]

It has delay compensation but it is not perfect. For example, it will not automatically deal with delay compensation for hardware inserts like PT or Nuendo.

Irwin

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Originally Posted by IMS

It has delay compensation but it is not perfect. For example, it will not automatically deal with delay compensation for hardware inserts like PT or Nuendo.

Irwin

I'm hoping Apple will deal with this.

[dkatz42]

Originally Posted by IMS

It has delay compensation but it is not perfect. For example, it will not automatically deal with delay compensation for hardware inserts like PT or Nuendo.

Try this:

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsl...encyfixer.html

[IMS]

But the question was about automatic delay compensation--Latency Fixer is manual, you have to figure out the delay and put it in for everything.

Irwin

[kudzu]

Remember to ADC off when ur recording live stuff to recorded tracks with high latency plugs on'm... It will make the new recording late if u have it on ... drove me nuts for a few hours one day ... but when ur just mixing, Logic's ADC works great with UAD-1's, Waves , Drumagog ... etc

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by kudzu

Remember to ADC off when ur recording live stuff to recorded tracks with high latency plugs on'm... It will make the new recording late if u have it on ... drove me nuts for a few hours one day ... but when ur just mixing, Logic's ADC works great with UAD-1's, Waves , Drumagog ... etc

There is however a problem for those of us who write to picture. If you use Export Tracks as Audio to convert softsynth tracks to audio to mix elsewhere either in Logic, PT, Nuendo, etc. it adds some "digital null" to the beginning of all the audio files. If you then use them against picture they will be in sync with each other but not the picture. So you have to trim all the audio files. A PITA.

[dkatz42]

Originally Posted by IMS

But the question was about automatic delay compensation--Latency Fixer is manual, you have to figure out the delay and put it in for everything.

In general you're going to have to do this anyhow, since Logic won't know what the latency through your converters is going to be, and the outboard gear through which you're passing the signal may well add some level of latency on its own.

I'm not a PT guy, so I don't know how it works there, but I suspect that the software knows the latency of the converters so it can hazard a good guess. It would be a bit harder to compensate for outboard gear latencies unless they got really clever about signal analysis.

In general it's a good thing to tweak it anyhow (trying to get as phase-aligned as possible.) Then save it as a preset and you're good to go; you only have to do it once per outboard loop (and can probably get away with only doing it once period.)

[IMS]

Yes, Pro Tools HD systems do it by knowing the exact number of samples of delay that the PT converter in question has. If you use Apogee or some other converters for inserts, you would have to know the number of samples and input that, I guess. I don't think normal outboard (i.e. analog comps, eq, etc.) add any latency. Even if they did, at that point it's exactly the same latency you would have using them on an insert on an analog board, and certainly I've never heard of anyone trying to compensate for that.

I don't have Nuendo but I believe it handles outboard by "pinging" the outboard gear, then taking the number of samples it finds and going from there. An elegant solution--not sure why Logic doesn't work that way.

Irwin

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Originally Posted by IMS

I don't have Nuendo but I believe it handles outboard by "pinging" the outboard gear, then taking the number of samples it finds and going from there. An elegant solution--not sure why Logic doesn't work that way.

Irwin

Me either.

[tamasdragon]

Yes, nuendo pings external fx, and it works like charm.
Regards Tamas Dragon

[midnightsun]

Originally Posted by dkatz42

In general you're going to have to do this anyhow, since Logic won't know what the latency through your converters is going to be, and the outboard gear through which you're passing the signal may well add some level of latency on its own.

I'm not a PT guy, so I don't know how it works there, but I suspect that the software knows the latency of the converters so it can hazard a good guess. It would be a bit harder to compensate for outboard gear latencies unless they got really clever about signal analysis.

In general it's a good thing to tweak it anyhow (trying to get as phase-aligned as possible.) Then save it as a preset and you're good to go; you only have to do it once per outboard loop (and can probably get away with only doing it once period.)

I am new to Logic Pro. Could you be more specific on how you save presets for each outboard loop. Thanks

[dkatz42]

Originally Posted by midnightsun

I am new to Logic Pro. Could you be more specific on how you save presets for each outboard loop.

Each plugin has a pulldown for pulling up and saving presets. Just use that with the latency fixer plug.

[dkatz42]

Originally Posted by IMS

I don't think normal outboard (i.e. analog comps, eq, etc.) add any latency. Even if they did, at that point it's exactly the same latency you would have using them on an insert on an analog board, and certainly I've never heard of anyone trying to compensate for that.

Partly because it's not that necessary, and partly because it wasn't possible. Certainly digital effects will add some latency, and analog effects may have phase artifacts. I'd hazard a guess that there are some phase issues that people just lived with back in the olden days. I've also seen comb filtering used on purpose (thanks, Michael.)

Of course there's always the curse of the DAW--"I tweak it because I can."

[midnightsun]

Originally Posted by dkatz42

Each plugin has a pulldown for pulling up and saving presets. Just use that with the latency fixer plug.

I have searched the Reference Manual as well as the Plug in Reference. I find no mention off the "latency fixer plug." Exactly, where do you adjust the latency of individual tracks? Are you refering to the Preference where "Recording Delay" is adjusted? I am sure that there is a simple answer to this question, I am just very new to Logic Pro and am on the steep part of the learning curve.

Thanks.

[dkatz42]

Originally Posted by midnightsun

I have searched the Reference Manual as well as the Plug in Reference. I find no mention off the "latency fixer plug." Exactly, where do you adjust the latency of individual tracks? Are you refering to the Preference where "Recording Delay" is adjusted?

I was referring to the third party latency adjustment plug that I referred to up above. It's free.