Organizing VST effects

Toth · 21st November 2011

I am wondering why DAWs don't allow users to organize VST plug-ins into custom folders. Is this a limitation of the VST technology?

I was not able to do this in Cubase and I am not able to do this in Studio One now. Most I could do is hide plugs in Cubase that I didn't need. My friend says that he can't do it in Ableton nor in Logic whether it's VST or AU. He says you can do it in Reaper, however...

It seems so basic to me to be able to do this, and I am just wondering why major DAWs are unable to have this function. What's holding them back?

famousbass · 21st November 2011

Cubase allows you to organise by Manufacturer.
However, I do remember owning Cubase on a PC pre 2000 and I could organise the VSTs any way I wanted.
However, manufacturers these days tag their VSTs which bypasses folder hierachy.
Reaper obviously bypasses the tags.
It's really not going to kill your workflow, you end up using the few VSTs that work for you anyway. We all do.

Yuri · 21st November 2011

If you organize your plugins into folders within the main VST folder specified in Preferences, Ableton Live will locate them.

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Alndln · 22nd November 2011

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Originally Posted by Toth

I am wondering why DAWs don't allow users to organize VST plug-ins into custom folders.

Sonar does. You can either organize them youself in custom folders or from within the program with Sonar's plugin manager and the plugins can be anywhere you want.

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Is this a limitation of the VST technology?

Obviously not.

Yutaka · 22nd November 2011

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Originally Posted by Toth

I was not able to do this in Cubase

You can definitely do this in Cubase, both on mac and windows. Create sub folders within VST plugin folder. I've been doing this since Cubase VST days.

PaPi61 · 22nd November 2011

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Originally Posted by Yutaka

You can definitely do this in Cubase, both on mac and windows. Create sub folders within VST plugin folder. I've been doing this since Cubase VST days.

I can confirm that, I've done it countless times. Just create separate folders inside the VST folder.

22nd November 2011

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Originally Posted by Toth

I am wondering why DAWs don't allow users to organize VST plug-ins into custom folders. Is this a limitation of the VST technology?

I was not able to do this in Cubase and I am not able to do this in Studio One now. Most I could do is hide plugs in Cubase that I didn't need. My friend says that he can't do it in Ableton nor in Logic whether it's VST or AU. He says you can do it in Reaper, however...

It seems so basic to me to be able to do this, and I am just wondering why major DAWs are unable to have this function. What's holding them back?

Support in Reaper is kinda bad at the moment. It works, but it's not very efficient in terms of workflow (VST folders). Tracktion's always supported it, and has the most efficient way of doing it I've seen. Makes a huge difference to workflow when you're working with a lot of different plugs and synths.

dasoundjunkie · 23rd November 2011

In Cubase I organize them any way I like, I have custom folders and everything is alway reachable with a minimum of fuss. I was under the impression you could do this in any DAW

. Why wouldn't manufacturers implement this as standard? Very weird to me

Toth · 23rd November 2011

Is there a way to do this inside Cubase? Or only by organizing the VST folder structure in windows? What version of Cubase is everyone using that can do this? I have version 5 which I don't use anymore as I switched to StudioOne, but I don't remember being able to do this in the program.

dasoundjunkie · 23rd November 2011

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Originally Posted by Toth

Is there a way to do this inside Cubase? Or only by organizing the VST folder structure in windows? What version of Cubase is everyone using that can do this? I have version 5 which I don't use anymore as I switched to StudioOne, but I don't remember being able to do this in the program.

Far as I know you have to do it offline in windows but I don't really feel that's a problem so long as you know what you want and how you want it

Kickflip · 23rd November 2011

I always used to sort them into folders onto the PC, was pretty handy to do really. I know quite a few people want the functionality on OSX though! Makes much more sense to sort them by plugin type rather than manufacturer. Would be great to be able to merge them with a DAW's stock plugins too.

It's like when you install a piece of software and it insists you want it in a folder named after the company. No need really, unless it's a full software suite. Smacks a bit of "Oh, you're definitely going to want to buy ALL of our software..."

Marcus909 · 24th November 2011

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Originally Posted by Kickflip

Would be great to be able to merge them with a DAW's stock plugins too.

You can! Thats what I've been doing with Cubase for years...

thedigitalgod · 24th November 2011

reaper really doesnt need "organization", just type part of the plug name and there it is.

theOnlyMoment · 24th November 2011

you can definitely do this in ableton not sure about the other daw's since i don't own them. I have them in folders all the time. I"m not sure if you can make the folders right in the browser but if you store the .dll files inside folders in your plugin folders it'll show the folders in the browser.

Kickflip · 24th November 2011

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Originally Posted by Marcus909

You can! Thats what I've been doing with Cubase for years...

Sorry, I meant in Logic! Good that you can do it in Cubase though :-)

I'm hoping Studio One on the Mac will introduce the functionality, because I'm getting pretty tempted to switch to that!

ALSTUDIOS · 24th November 2011

Hi

Just to note, there are VST2 and VST3 plugins.

With VST2 plugins, you can manage it within the Windows explorer to organize it as you like.
With VST3 plugins, there's no way to do it. You have to live with the manufacturers set-up, stored somewhere in the plugin code.

As well waiting for a possibility to sort all the plugins within Cubase 6 not only as "manufacturer", but also as "type".

Cheers

Treva · 24th November 2011

So simple.

Cubase = Go to program files, Steinberg, Cubase, VST plugins.
Inside of VST plugins you´ll see all plugins folders.
Just create there a folder = AHHH then put any plugins you want there.
Your AHHH folder will appear in Cubase plugins list folder

Pinnacle · 24th November 2011

FL studio offers custom index with thumnail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...AWI33iDg#t=78s

21st November 2011	#1
Toth Gear nut Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 88 Thread Starter	Organizing VST effects I am wondering why DAWs don't allow users to organize VST plug-ins into custom folders. Is this a limitation of the VST technology? I was not able to do this in Cubase and I am not able to do this in Studio One now. Most I could do is hide plugs in Cubase that I didn't need. My friend says that he can't do it in Ableton nor in Logic whether it's VST or AU. He says you can do it in Reaper, however... It seems so basic to me to be able to do this, and I am just wondering why major DAWs are unable to have this function. What's holding them back?

21st November 2011	#3
Yuri Gear Head Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 35	If you organize your plugins into folders within the main VST folder specified in Preferences, Ableton Live will locate them. Sent from my overclocked calculator using Gearslutz.com __________________ http://soundcloud.com/yurirozenberg

23rd November 2011	#8
dasoundjunkie Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,260	In Cubase I organize them any way I like, I have custom folders and everything is alway reachable with a minimum of fuss. I was under the impression you could do this in any DAW. Why wouldn't manufacturers implement this as standard? Very weird to me __________________ Leo Alvarez Mixer/producer Soundjunkies productions I have a theory that if you aren't a little scared shitless about what you are working on then it isn't worth doing John Congleton Genius is small pieces Daniel Lanois

23rd November 2011	#11
Kickflip Gear Head Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 37	I always used to sort them into folders onto the PC, was pretty handy to do really. I know quite a few people want the functionality on OSX though! Makes much more sense to sort them by plugin type rather than manufacturer. Would be great to be able to merge them with a DAW's stock plugins too. It's like when you install a piece of software and it insists you want it in a folder named after the company. No need really, unless it's a full software suite. Smacks a bit of "Oh, you're definitely going to want to buy ALL of our software..." __________________ Music www.soundcloud.com/kickflip Circuit Bent Madness http://www.youtube.com/bogusnoise http://www.bogus-noise.co.uk

24th November 2011	#13
thedigitalgod Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 776	reaper really doesnt need "organization", just type part of the plug name and there it is. __________________ W W W . T H E D I G I T A L G O D . C O M

21st November 2011	#2
famousbass Lives for gear Joined: May 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,131	Cubase allows you to organise by Manufacturer. However, I do remember owning Cubase on a PC pre 2000 and I could organise the VSTs any way I wanted. However, manufacturers these days tag their VSTs which bypasses folder hierachy. Reaper obviously bypasses the tags. It's really not going to kill your workflow, you end up using the few VSTs that work for you anyway. We all do.

24th November 2011	#14
theOnlyMoment Gear nut Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 80	you can definitely do this in ableton not sure about the other daw's since i don't own them. I have them in folders all the time. I"m not sure if you can make the folders right in the browser but if you store the .dll files inside folders in your plugin folders it'll show the folders in the browser.

24th November 2011	#16
ALSTUDIOS Gear interested Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2	Hi Just to note, there are VST2 and VST3 plugins. With VST2 plugins, you can manage it within the Windows explorer to organize it as you like. With VST3 plugins, there's no way to do it. You have to live with the manufacturers set-up, stored somewhere in the plugin code. As well waiting for a possibility to sort all the plugins within Cubase 6 not only as "manufacturer", but also as "type". Cheers

24th November 2011	#17
Treva Gear addict Joined: May 2011 Location: Brazil Posts: 327	So simple. Cubase = Go to program files, Steinberg, Cubase, VST plugins. Inside of VST plugins you´ll see all plugins folders. Just create there a folder = AHHH then put any plugins you want there. Your AHHH folder will appear in Cubase plugins list folder __________________ One of my songs - http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9965246

24th November 2011	#18
Pinnacle Gear interested Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 27	FL studio offers custom index with thumnail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...AWI33iDg#t=78s

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