Painfull latency...!

[Michel.deJongh]

Alright guys, here it comes..

I've got a T.C. electronic Desktop Konnekt 6 running through my Macbookpro with Logic 8.
Now my problems is that I do alot of vocal and guitar recordings through it for certain productions. Only the latency is making me record is without sound and just the sound of my guitar strings and vocals on my ears..

Anyone has any thoughts on how I could fix that?
Or ''ditch the konnekt 6 and upgrade your studio you cheap bastard!'' tutt


Thanks in advance!

[Insomniaclown]

Hey Michael. Latency. Gotta learn to love it.

First thing you need to do is check your buffer setting. You want the lowest possible buffer setting without overloading the CPU. It's under Logic Pro-->Preferences-->Audio. Change I/O Buffer size to something low like 64 in the drop down menu.

Second, make sure there is nothing on the 2 bus. Any compression, limiting, EQ or anything like that on the master fader will induce latency.

Anyway, check those 2 things and report back. Hope this helps a bit!

Ryan

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Michel.deJongh

Alright guys, here it comes..

I've got a T.C. electronic Desktop Konnekt 6 running through my Macbookpro with Logic 8.
Now my problems is that I do alot of vocal and guitar recordings through it for certain productions. Only the latency is making me record is without sound and just the sound of my guitar strings and vocals on my ears..

Anyone has any thoughts on how I could fix that?
Or ''ditch the konnekt 6 and upgrade your studio you cheap bastard!'' tutt


Thanks in advance!

So... is this guitar electric guitar and you need to monitor roundtrip through the computer so you can hear amp sims? Optimizing your buffer latency to be as low as possible without glitching (as Insomniaclown points out) is about your only recourse -- unless you just cut your electric guitar while you monitor the 'naked' signal via direct monitoring (as below).

Otherwise, I should think you'd simply monitor cue directly from the box's Direct Monitor Mix. (Of course, you have to mute the input cue in the DAW software so you don't get an 'echo' from whatever you're tracking.)

[Michel.deJongh]

Pfff! You guys got yourself a new fan!
Its ******** I never thought of that before...

Although logic is giving me a slap in the face with its ''overload'' but after a few runs it slowly comes to it senses..!
But I know the only way to fix that problem is to get a better mac but thats alright, it'll be worth my left nut...


Thanks guys!

[Insomniaclown]

Originally Posted by Michel.deJongh

Pfff! You guys got yourself a new fan!
Its ******** I never thought of that before...

Although logic is giving me a slap in the face with its ''overload'' but after a few runs it slowly comes to it senses..!
But I know the only way to fix that problem is to get a better mac but thats alright, it'll be worth my left nut...


Thanks guys!

Glad you got it working! Latency can be a real pain.

I know the overloads all too well. One way to extend your mac's performance is to do a track freeze on any track that you aren't directly working with. You can still automate the fader and adjust sends, but you can't edit the audio file or plug ins directly on the track unless you unfreeze it. It's how I've been getting away with my aging Macbook pro for awhile now.

Press Option + T, check the box beside freeze to enable it in the track header.

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Insomniaclown

Glad you got it working! Latency can be a real pain.

I know the overloads all too well. One way to extend your mac's performance is to do a track freeze on any track that you aren't directly working with. You can still automate the fader and adjust sends, but you can't edit the audio file or plug ins directly on the track unless you unfreeze it. It's how I've been getting away with my aging Macbook pro for awhile now.

Press Option + T, check the box beside freeze to enable it in the track header.

Ditto that on the Windows side. I have a very modest single core P4 machine that I bought refurbished in 2006 for ~$400 (and later brought the RAM up to the max 2 GB, put in new drives, etc).

I get past my big VI and FX plug jones by liberal use of track freeze in Sonar.

[Michel.deJongh]

ow yeah! Forgot about that feature!
With bigger projects I usually export alot of the stuff to audio (partly mixed) and ditch them in another project where they all come together so I wont have a bunch of plugins running at the same time.

I think I'm going to give the freeze sollution a try now..
Maybe in the future bring in something more powerful like a powermac
but then again.. the list goes on and on and on and on about what more I want to have in the studio..! ge

Anyway thanks!

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Michel.deJongh

[...]

Maybe in the future bring in something more powerful like a powermac

[...]

Better yet, maybe a Mac Pro.



But, yeah, depending on the implementation, track freeze is a very nice convenience.

Obviously, if one's DAW doesn't have it, he can render one or more VI or FX-heavy tracks to straight audio.

Of course, if he does that via DAC back into ADC, he'll have to watch for unadjusted latencies. I have my rig set up to compensate for HW latency [about 355 samples on my rig]. Some systems will automatically align incoming audio to outgoing; but it's always worth checking one's assumptions. I know I had assumed in the early 2000's that my DAWs "full delay compensation" applied to conversion as well as plugin compensation -- until I checked and found that new overdubs were being laid into the timeline 355 samples behind the outgoing. Most troubling. (For a while I had to nudge, but there was a big brouhaha raised in another recording BB about the issue and it got to be such a big deal that the head of development of my DAW came in and promised a way to automatically compensate for such 'track misalignment' in the next version, which they implemented; you still had to measure the misalignment but then you set the alignment offset and you're good.)