"BOOTCAMP" - from apple. boot windows on a mac

[blaugruen7]

look here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/


windows and mac osx on one computer!

think about all developers, who will buy only macs now!

[tommymakestapes]

a mac running windows xp with an intel chip is called an expensive pc

but seriously folks

[t_d]

more expensive than buying 2 machines (2 monitors, 2 keyboards, etc) to do the same tasks?

i think not. this could be huge.

being a mac user and having the ability to run an occasional PC program sounds fantastic.. or, vice versa.

if you're a PC user and have 0% interest in running any mac apps.. then, yeah, it's an expensive PC.. but if you're in any sort of creative field/office/studio situation where dual platform may be a concern, then this is fantastic news.

Originally Posted by tommymakestapes

a mac running windows xp with an intel chip is called an expensive pc

but seriously folks

[drew]

Dell and Gateway must be shitting their pants. i hate it. here come the cattle.

[XSergeantD]

Originally Posted by drew

Dell and Gateway must be shitting their pants. i hate it. here come the cattle.

Why? They're afraid someone selling 'puters at twice their price is going to make a dent in their company. I think not. Whats the percentage of Mac users? (hey, it's more than 5% now so whoever's still quoting that can get something from this century) and what percentage of them would want to run both platforms? I don't think either company is worried about anything. I think it's good for a percentage of users who need both platforms and thats it. Would you buy a car just because it can use Ford and Chevy parts? No, but if you could use other parts that's a good thing - if you need it. I don't think it's as big a selling point as people here are making it. Just my 3 cents.

[drew]

First, they have models that compete.
Second, people are cattle and the iPod halo effect will kick in even more than it already has. we'll see won't we.

[Jose Mrochek]

I think these are great news. The only reason I have a pc is to run my flight simulator. If I can do that with a mac, I´ll make the switch with my eyes closed.

[Jose Mrochek]

Originally Posted by tommymakestapes

a mac running windows xp with an intel chip is called an expensive pc

but seriously folks

no way man, this is what I have always been waiting for. I once saw the pc emulator on a mac, and it made me want to puke. But whatever.. I can´t live without my flight simulator. I had to put up with this pc piece of crap windows for to long now I can have my beloved mac and the crap windows pc for my games. Like said above this is huge, because there are hundred of thousands of mac lovers like me who had to deal with windows for to long.

[Sonic Nomad]

Just wonder how this will work with various Sound Card drivers and if there will be latency introduced or does Bootcamp this allow the XP OS direct access to hardware.

The blurb does say that Windows runs native! Seems that Bootcamp is simply a boot manager. Interesting.

[XSergeantD]

Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

no way man, this is what I have always been waiting for. I once saw the pc emulator on a mac, and it made me want to puke. But whatever.. I can´t live without my flight simulator. I had to put up with this pc piece of crap windows for to long now I can have my beloved mac and the crap windows pc for my games. Like said above this is huge, because there are hundred of thousands of mac lovers like me who had to deal with windows for to long.

So you don't like windows but you're glad you can run windows. Cool, makes sense? I get it, so now everyoen who makes fun of a PC virus can get it on their Mac too, even though I had one on 3 Macs years ago. Hmm, something doesn't make sense.

[doorknocker]

What will happen to Mac vs. PC wars?

[drew]

they will continue because it's never been about hardware (for me anyway), it's about an OS preference.

[Jose Mrochek]

Originally Posted by XSergeantD

So you don't like windows but you're glad you can run windows. Cool, makes sense? I get it, so now everyoen who makes fun of a PC virus can get it on their Mac too, even though I had one on 3 Macs years ago. Hmm, something doesn't make sense.

I love the mac OS and the feel of their keyboards, the look´s .. they are just to cute. Have you seen the 20¨imac ? it´s just damm beautiful to look at. PC´s never had that in my opinion. Just to plastic.. don´t know how to explain. The powerbooks are elegant, sofisticated.. etc. It´s like looking at a ferrari. MAC´s have class. The screen on a Mac vs. the pc is night and day. I could go on and on about why mac´s are nicer but I won´t bore you with stuff I´m sure you don´t care about. My main issue was the software. But now I can have the best of both worlds, and that is just great.

[hmurchison]

Why? They're afraid someone selling 'puters at twice their price is going to make a dent in their company.

Macs don't sell for twice the price.

Well ...that depends...many people try to compare Macs against crap computers.

I run both platforms and there's always a benefit to having both at your disposal. Dual Booting is simply a precursor to the future where virtualization will allow multiple OS to run and share data simultaneously.

[autodidactic]

If anybody is interested in virtualisation then there is also this piece http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/

[Mind-Over-Midi]

Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

I love the mac OS and the feel of their keyboards, the look´s .. they are just to cute. Have you seen the 20¨imac ? it´s just damm beautiful to look at. PC´s never had that in my opinion. Just to plastic.. don´t know how to explain. The powerbooks are elegant, sofisticated.. etc. It´s like looking at a ferrari. MAC´s have class. The screen on a Mac vs. the pc is night and day. I could go on and on about why mac´s are nicer but I won´t bore you with stuff I´m sure you don´t care about. My main issue was the software. But now I can have the best of both worlds, and that is just great.

My sentiments exactly! Took the words right out of my mouth.

[XSergeantD]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Macs don't sell for twice the price.

Well ...that depends...many people try to compare Macs against crap computers.

cheapest power PC - $2K
Comprable Dell - $1K (dual 2.8GHz - so it's not exactly the same, but ya can't actually compare them via speed, but we'll agree it's comprable) 1BGDDR (double the powermac). Both 160 GB drives. oh, comes with 19" flat panel included
is that a not a comprable computer? What needs to be added to be comprable? Do we need to bump up to the $3.3K base price G5 to compare to a faster PC. C'mon, you know you're paying twice the costs. But you get the looks of a nice case - unless you build your own PC. It's the same old argument, nothing's changed.

Originally Posted by Jose Mrochek

I love the mac OS and the feel of their keyboards, the look´s .. they are just to cute.

Obviously you've never built your own computer with your choice of an aftermarket case or made your own case. If you're happy with whats on the shelf, thats good. They do have a nice sterile look to em(not trying to sound sarcastic or anything, I believe thats what they were trying for). I can't stand that I can only have one DVD drive and I need to use the kbd to eject the disc. I also don't like the fact that I have to dismount something before pulling my FW drive. If they can fix those 2 basic things, I'd be much happier w/ the macs here at work.

Hey, I use both systems, I moved from Mac to PC, I prefer to use PC when possible but they both get the job done. I also own Apple stock, so whatever they do that the people are happy with, then good. If Mac users want to use the software they've been bitching about for years, then good. Whatever moves the stock $ up.

[jjdpro]

Well, for mac users wha has wanted to run Nuendo or SX on the prefered platform will love this update..

For us PC users, the future looks bright again for us old Logic Audio users and the much rumored Pro Tools killer

This is good all the way around...

[jjdpro]

Originally Posted by Mind-Over-Midi

My sentiments exactly! Took the words right out of my mouth.

"The powerbooks are elegant, sofisticated.. etc"

uhhh.. Slow..But, make great Itunes players

[wwittman]

What I still don't understand, is why Apple doesn't just make the Intel version of Mac OS-X available for all Intell machines as a standalone software product... and kill off Windows (otherwise known as Mac-lite) once and for all.

[drew]

because they sell hardware and if they did that they probably have to behave like MS to survive.

[jjdpro]

Originally Posted by wwittman

What I still don't understand, is why Apple doesn't just make the Intel version of Mac OS-X available for all Intell machines as a standalone software product... and kill off Windows (otherwise known as Mac-lite) once and for all.

Because Osx is slow..buggy..And yes, slow..Mac users need speed, speed speed..That's why they ditched the old motorola processors for INTEL!! I have a Dual G5 (2.5) and that thing is not blazing at all!!!...Not the least bit...It's performance is better than any other G4 (dual) or to date... But, it's was a $$$$ step in the right direction....

[solo-act]

Originally Posted by XSergeantD

I get it, so now everyoen who makes fun of a PC virus can get it on their Mac too, even though I had one on 3 Macs years ago. Hmm, something doesn't make sense.

Who pissed in your cheerios?

The Windows partition can get its usual windows viruses.... that will have their usual lack of impact on the OSX section. I read the same info on 3 different articles today. Where are you getting your facts?

[XSergeantD]

Originally Posted by solo-act

Who pissed in your cheerios?

The Windows partition can get its usual windows viruses.... that will have their usual lack of impact on the OSX section. I read the same info on 3 different articles today. Where are you getting your facts?

Which fact are you talking about? That I had an authorization killing malware on 3 macs when we still had floppy drives on Macs? Or the PC virus on your mac? cause you do realize XP will be running on your mac don't you? please explain yourself. Oh, and I had Rice Chex today

[solo-act]

Originally Posted by XSergeantD

Which fact are you talking about?

"so now everyoen who makes fun of a PC virus can get it on their Mac too"

Its a given if you run XP on a mac, XP is can get viruses. I thought you were stating something other than the obvious. What I was referring to was this taken from one the articles I read.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...html?mod=blogs
"Because the Mac becomes a true Windows computer when in Windows mode, it is susceptible to all of the viruses and spyware that plague regular Windows machines, but not Macs running the Mac operating system. While these viruses can't infect the Mac side of the machine, you do have to install antivirus and antispyware programs on the Windows side."

I think if people running a dual boot Mac use common sense, they'll end up moving activities that expose them to viruses over to OSX. So they'll end up doing their email, surfing, sharing and storing of critical files that are cross platform onto the OSX partition. I think that's why a lot of people are thinking it's a significant event. At the least, it's significant for us stockholders.

adios

[drew]

i love that they did it on their own terms. the only computer that can triple boot; MacOS, Windows, and Linux. i'd say their "value" just went up. people will buy them that otherwise wouldn't. gates and balmer must be fuming. out innovated........again.

[heyman]

Speaking of ballmer. there is some video of him running around like some maniac all amped up on Red Bull at some trade show...

oh, here it is... He basically knocked geeks back about 20 years on the evolution chain..


I think he has a heart attack on stage..

dude, hit the treadmill..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...allmer&pl=true

[elco]

Steve Balmer - The remix - http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...es/balmer.html

Cheers,

elco

[XSergeantD]

Originally Posted by solo-act

I think if people running a dual boot Mac use common sense, they'll end up moving activities that expose them to viruses over to OSX. So they'll end up doing their email, surfing, sharing and storing of critical files that are cross platform onto the OSX partition. I think that's why a lot of people are thinking it's a significant event. At the least, it's significant for us stockholders.

adios

I disagree. When I'm on my mac I don't move over to my PC to check my mail. Whatever system you're on you're going to do everything you need. I'd never deal with having to reboot a system to change tasks, would you?. I'd check email on whatever system I had open. I don't see poeple shutting down XP and rebooting in OSX to run a program or surf on a 'safe' computer do you? I think it's a neat thing that's now available, but I don't see a real big draw over this. Though I switched from mac to PC and haven't looked back, I am still an Apple stockholder. If this bumps the price I'm all for it. Even if it doesn't, it's just another piece of software available for a mac. But I do not in any way see this making any sort of competition for Dell or Gateway or any of those companies. The Mac prices are still too high to draw in the crowds.

[drew]

Originally Posted by XSergeantD

. But I do not in any way see this making any sort of competition for Dell or Gateway or any of those companies. The Mac prices are still too high to draw in the crowds.

i think you're wrong, we'll see. there are tons of cheaper mp3 players and people still buy iPods.