New Intel Macs Running WinXP - How-To...

[junior]

not sure if this has been posted here yet, but someone has found a way to install a dual-boot os x / win xp system on the new intel macs. looks pretty slick...

video: http://macbreak.libsyn.com/
instructions: http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/HOWTO

have any of you intel mac guys tried this yet? if so, have you tried using any hardware, audio apps or plugins under winxp?

[kenn.michael]

I just did the install of XP on my Core Duo mini. So far all audio stuff works. I'm using an Emagic EMI 6|2 USB interface and have been running Ableton Live. The mini outperforms a 3.0ghz P4! And running Live in OSX vs Windows on the same hardware shows a performance difference of about 2% in favor of Windows... Pretty great overall though! Gonna install Nuendo later tonight and see how far I can push the machine...

...and this is only the 1.66ghz CoreDuo!!

[junior]

wow, that's what i was hoping to hear... definitely, post back when you've checked out nuendo...

[dj_who]

personally i would rather spend the money on building a kit with a quad dual core mobo and just put xp pro on that.

http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...rce/H8QC8+.cfm

[junior]

that's fine, assuming you only want to run windows... of course, there are a lot of folks who'd like one box to do both...

[manning1]

junior...
and maybe even linux as well as win and mac.
check out knoppix sometime.
some interesting linux audio software is coming along.
check out ferventsoftware.com sometime.
has anyone tried linux on the new mac intels ??

[junior]

Originally Posted by manning1

junior...
and maybe even linux as well as win and mac.
check out knoppix sometime.
some interesting linux audio software is coming along.
check out ferventsoftware.com sometime.
has anyone tried linux on the new mac intels ??

excellent point! i downloaded a few linux distros but haven't gotten around to checking them out yet...

any tips or suggestions?

[manning1]

junior...
all the linux distros are at www.distrowatch.com
i'm playing with knoppix right now.
a nice small one is damnsmalllinux.org
you might want to check with the creator of each distro on its status
for mac intels.
one of the big popular linux distros is ubantu.
dynebolic and fervent ....particularly the latter are multimedia and recording type distros. ardour and rosegarden are linux audio and midi packages.
linux audio is certainly coming along. but they arent up to the level of what i'm currently useing from my investigations. but they ARE coming on strong.

i reckon 2 more years and linux will be a serious possibility for audio and midi recording. from what i see ardour is trying to be the pro tools competitor for linux.
peace.

[aussie_techie]

why would you want to pay for overpriced mac hardwear and stick windows on it its just crazy and expencive

linux has a long way to go to be a platform of choice for audio and i dont think it ever get there. frankly i would rather run BSD or Darwin they are much better OS than windows or linux

[TooledUp]

I think its all about running it the other way around, its all about getting OSX to work on a PC, if thats even possible, it should be now that they both use the same processor's.

That way you can build a sick machine capable of running both OS's without paying over the odds on a new Intel Mac which would still be less powerfull.

I wonder if anyone knows how to get that to run?

Please get in touch!

[aussie_techie]

Originally Posted by TooledUp

I think its all about running it the other way around, its all about getting OSX to work on a PC, if thats even possible, it should be now that they both use the same processor's.

That way you can build a sick machine capable of running both OS's without paying over the odds on a new Intel Mac which would still be less powerfull.

I wonder if anyone knows how to get that to run?

Please get in touch!

its possible but not legal or compleatly stable last i saw but it will be in time. your hardware options are limited, unless you use the workarounds (not compleatly stable) you need an intel processor with SSE3

[abit]

MAC OSintel was hacked on the next day after release,
and installed on regular PC..
Apple made a big scandal out of it.

I was thinking the opposite way-
this would be very beneficial for Apple to sell not just a hardware with OS,
but let people use OSIntel on regular PC.
This would make Bill really nervous.
That would be a killer.

[junior]

Originally Posted by aussie_techie

why would you want to pay for overpriced mac hardwear and stick windows on it its just crazy and expencive

i know what you're saying... but, those little mac minis are pretty inexpensive.

[junior]

Originally Posted by TooledUp

I think its all about running it the other way around, its all about getting OSX to work on a PC, if thats even possible, it should be now that they both use the same processor's.

hmmm, a quick google search turned up this link:
http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/howto/

looks interesting too...

[RadioMoo]

Originally Posted by TooledUp

That way you can build a sick machine capable of running both OS's without paying over the odds on a new Intel Mac which would still be less powerfull.

LMAO!

[theother]

Originally Posted by dj_who

personally i would rather spend the money on building a kit with a quad dual core mobo and just put xp pro on that.

http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...rce/H8QC8+.cfm

absolutely!

why go though the trouble and install WinXP on a Mac?? And it's slower.

I don't need 2 OS's. One is enough trouble!

[aussie_techie]

i think some people liek to spend more money (assuming they they buying legal software) just because they can do it

[kenn.michael]

Originally Posted by junior

wow, that's what i was hoping to hear... definitely, post back when you've checked out nuendo...

installed Nuendo last night.

runs GREAT!!!!!

haven't run benchmark songs yet, but I opened a few of my sessions and everything was very smooth with tons of CPU headroom.

even though video drivers aren't native yet (meaning Windows isn't doing accelerated video using the video card's hardware), redraws were fast and smooth. as fast and smooth as I've seen on any PC... in the case of Nuendo, faster than redraws on my G5.

[kenn.michael]

Originally Posted by junior

i know what you're saying... but, those little mac minis are pretty inexpensive.

true... yes the mini running the Core Duo at 1.66ghz is not the fastest version of the chip, but the MacBook Pro at 2.16ghz has been benchmarked as the fastest laptop mac or PC.

what's really going to be interesting is when the Apple towers are released, they will have the fastest chips and motherboards Intel has to offer. if Intel's new Conroe chips beat AMD, then we have some of the fastest hardware on the mac (along with the PC manufacturers who will be using the same stuff)...

i think the argument about slower performance on mac is going to be moot...

on my tests running the same software on the same hardware in both OSes, the performance was pretty identical 0-2% difference... and that was on a beta version of the software (the only cross platform Universal Binary audio workstation that I have access to).

yes, you can build PCs for cheaper, but I don't think that the Macs just being slower argument is going to continue to hold water too much longer. we're all using the same hardware now! (with the exception of those who run AMDs! )