black lion audio mod for DIGI 002 - Page 3

commaKaze · 19th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

7dB is A LOT, y'all.

- Chad

I'm sayin'...

bobmaus · 22nd April 2006

So has anyone here received their modded 002 back and have any comments. I'm scheduled for early May, so I would imagine a few have seen it back to their owners by now.

Thanks,
Bob

commaKaze · 22nd April 2006

Bobmaus,
I sent my 002 in BLA pretty much the day he added it to the list of mods, and was lucky enough to schedule April 11th cos' of a cancellation date...As far as I know, at least on this forum/thread, it looks like I'll be the 1st, or one of, to get it back...not completely sure though. Appears as so...

I actually got an email Wed. concerning the progress, which was really nice...the analog stages are completely done, the new clock is in final testing, most likely done at this point, and they were waiting on a fresh batch of the AK5393 converter chips' arrival midweek(could already have them by now).

My 002 probably could've been back by now, or on it's way, but I opted for the new internal clock design, which was newly introduced as an option while he had my 002. So, since I opted for that, I accepted that that would take a little more time than just analog stages/converter upgrade...worth the wait for me.

That's all the news I have for now, promise to inform upon return...It seems as though relatively soon...

Harsh · 22nd April 2006

I am getting ready to send mine off hopefully this upcoming week.... I have been in talks with them trying to get in on a cacellation as well. I am very interested as to the difference you notice................

bobmaus · 22nd April 2006

Thanks commaKaze,

I guess the chips have been the major hangup on anyone getting theirs back. I'm scheduled for May 4th and also getting the clock upgrade. Hopefully all parts will be in abundance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

they were waiting on a fresh batch of the AK5393 converter chips' arrival midweek(could already have them by now).

My 002 probably could've been back by now, or on it's way, but I opted for the new internal clock design,

cletus · 24th April 2006

Where's the audio comparison for the 002 on the Black Lion site? I went to the "audio" section and all I saw were motu traveller comparisons.

commaKaze · 24th April 2006

2 Things...

Matt from Black Lion shot me an email Wednesday saying he did score the AK5393 chips, and they're in transit as we speak...most likely on his bench in the next few days...

The A/B samples for the stock 002 and Black Lion 002 will be posted on the website alongside the MOTU samples not long after the chips arrive...standby...very soon

norman_nomad · 26th April 2006

Very much looking forward to those comparisons. I was close to selling my 002r... now I might just upgrade it.

superburtm · 26th April 2006

I might be getting inline for the 002 upgrade too

bobmaus · 30th April 2006

Hey anybody got there upgraded 002 back yet? I'd love to get some first impressions, since I'm due to send mine in this week.

Thanks,
Bob

commaKaze · 4th May 2006

Hey All,
Matt@BLA shot me a "progress" email, and is finishing the work, and final testing the clock for my 002. The analog stages were done almost immediately, the A/D chips took a bit to arrive, but he got those and they've been installed. He's basically wrapping up the job on my 002. It would have well been back to me had I not opted for the new clock design, which was still in prototype. AK5393 chips aren't a problem.

He even said it will ship to me before the weekend, meaning I'll probably have it in hands early to mid next week.

Be back for more updates and sharing...

Peace in the Northeast!

88fingerz · 4th May 2006

Hi!

What's the co$t for this upgrade? Interested for sure!

commaKaze · 5th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88fingerz

Hi!

What's the co$t for this upgrade? Interested for sure!

Drop him an email him and ask...

commaKaze · 8th May 2006

OK Update:
My 002 with the full mod including new clock is in the bowels of FedEx as we speak, and is to be delivered to me Tuesday afternoon...no doubt I know what I'll be doing all evening...It may take a few days, but I'll be sure to post and feel free to prod and pry...Damn I wish it were Monday night!

BTW, the BLA site has been updated with a full explanation as to how the new clock is designed, and an updated price list as well for those who wanted to know.

Talk to ya,
Mr. TTT

Wiggum, Ralph · 8th May 2006

commaKaze, can't wait to hear your comments...

scoob · 8th May 2006

this mod decides weather i buy a 002 or not

Dickens · 9th May 2006

Very cool.
Can't wait to hear reviews.

ramjet · 9th May 2006

hi

i to can't wait to see how this mod works.

very interesting

cheers

commaKaze · 9th May 2006

002 in hands...FedEx just came about 10 minutes ago...doesn't look any different though?!

Standby...I'll be letting you all know very soon...

superburtm · 9th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

002 in hands...FedEx just came about 10 minutes ago...doesn't look any different though?!

Standby...I'll be letting you all know very soon...

awesome!!

ronyrrr · 9th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

002 in hands...FedEx just came about 10 minutes ago...doesn't look any different though?!

Standby...I'll be letting you all know very soon...

are you going to be using another 002 without the mod for A/B comparison? if you weren't planning on doing that...could you get a hold of another 002 from someone in your area to do a really good solid comparison?

cletus · 9th May 2006

Let me have that review brother! Can't wait!

commaKaze · 10th May 2006

Yes we do have 2 digi002s, and the other stock 002 will be in the rack right next to the new BLA 002...let y'all know...just got out of "real job" work, heading to studio now to play with my new toy, be doing much more with it tomorrow...

ronyrrr · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

Yes we do have 2 digi002s, and the other stock 002 will be in the rack right next to the new BLA 002...let y'all know...just got out of "real job" work, heading to studio now to play with my new toy, be doing much more with it tomorrow...

it would be awesome if you could post some wav files of the A/B comparison for us to listen to! you would be the greatest slut ever!

commaKaze · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronster

it would be awesome if you could post some wav files of the A/B comparison for us to listen to! you would be the greatest slut ever!

Now that's something my mum would be so proud of!!!

That's exactly what I plan to do fella's. I actually just got home from the studio playing with it, and was having trouble bouncing stuff down(PTLE 7{glitchy} G5), but I was also quite time restricted...

I can tell you this, from what we've gathered thus far, it truly is an incredible difference. Not even just price/performace ratio...it's really altogether a different device. All I had time for was playing around with a Larrivee acoustic and SP C4s.

Those pres are sick...the stock 002 pres are like wet cardboard in comparison. SO FLAT. Easily, distinguishably much improved. So much more harmonic, and open.

Also, the D/A IS very much improved by Matt's revamping of the analog path...there was a sudden audible haze that came through the monitors everytime I went back to the stock 002 from the BLA 002...the mod is pin-drop silent. Upon setting up, honestly I thought the mic cable was disconnected or phantom power wasn't on, until I walked out of the control room and into the live room and talked into the mic. It's vastly improved. I know a bunch of you were concerned/interested in that. The answer is YES.

I wish I had more, but as I said, I had time restrictions, and you know how time flies when working, nevermind alone and running back and forth unplugging and replugging and yada yada yada. I have a fully booked, A/B only session tomorrow afternoon into the night which is solely dedicated to sussing this thing out and having files for y'all to hear.

From the wee modicum of time I had to play, I and my studio bro'(he popped in as I was leaving) were like WTF...and we've been using Mytek 8x96s in front of the other stock 002, so we're down with nice sounding stuff.

Once again, stay tuned...

ronyrrr · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

Now that's something my mum would be so proud of!!!

That's exactly what I plan to do fella's. I actually just got home from the studio playing with it, and was having trouble bouncing stuff down(PTLE 7{glitchy} G5), but I was also quite time restricted...

I can tell you this, from what we've gathered thus far, it truly is an incredible difference. Not even just price/performace ratio...it's really altogether a different device. All I had time for was playing around with a Larrivee acoustic and SP C4s.

Those pres are sick...the stock 002 pres are like wet cardboard in comparison. SO FLAT. Easily, distinguishably much improved. So much more harmonic, and open.

Also, the D/A IS very much improved by Matt's revamping of the analog path...there was a sudden audible haze that came through the monitors everytime I went back to the stock 002 from the BLA 002...the mod is pin-drop silent. Upon setting up, honestly I thought the mic cable was disconnected or phantom power wasn't on, until I walked out of the control room and into the live room and talked into the mic. It's vastly improved. I know a bunch of you were concerned/interested in that. The answer is YES.

I wish I had more, but as I said, I had time restrictions, and you know how time flies when working, nevermind alone and running back and forth unplugging and replugging and yada yada yada. I have a fully booked, A/B only session tomorrow afternoon into the night which is solely dedicated to sussing this thing out and having files for y'all to hear.

From the wee modicum of time I had to play, I and my studio bro'(he popped in as I was leaving) were like WTF...and we've been using Mytek 8x96s in front of the other stock 002, so we're down with nice sounding stuff.

Once again, stay tuned...

that is an awesome post....i don't think you have to worry about everyone staying tuned! i think this thread will be active for months and will probably be one of the biggest threads. wow, so better than the mytek 8 x 96 in front? i can't wait!

bobmaus · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

Once again, stay tuned...

For sure cK, mine just arrived on Matt's bench, so your review is gonna get me more excited, while mine is in surgery.

Bob

thebri · 10th May 2006

Sweet. Mine goes in next week. I've been salivating about this for a while. I've got my 002R paired up hitw an RME and can't stand the sonic differerence anymore.

commaKaze · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronster

that is an awesome post....i don't think you have to worry about everyone staying tuned! i think this thread will be active for months and will probably be one of the biggest threads. wow, so better than the mytek 8 x 96 in front? i can't wait!

Hey Ronster...just to clarify, it's not fair to say better than the Myteks...remember I only A/B'd the stock 002 with the black lion 002, and on very limited time at that, and not with the Myteks.

Old Man Mytek makes a killer box. All I was saying is that since I've been using the Mytek 8x96 in front of the stock 002, I am used to hearing nice quality conversion/clocking.

FWIW, I'm NOT against the fact that the BLA 002 could sound better/as good as/whatever than the Myteks in front of the stock 002...I just haven't had enough time playing around yet to come to that conclusion, and want to be clear and concise about this.

However, I will say though, my first impressions of the black lion 002 are WOW+.

Those in line will be stoked...others with an off the shelf 002 take a ticket. You'll be glad you did...

I'm heading to the studio in a little while to have much more fun with it, and I will have much more to say, and most likely A/B files for ya'll to hear.

I'll be back for more...later y'all

superburtm · 10th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by commaKaze

Hey Ronster...just to clarify, it's not fair to say better than the Myteks...remember I only A/B'd the stock 002 with the black lion 002, and on very limited time at that, and not with the Myteks.

Old Man Mytek makes a killer box. All I was saying is that since I've been using the Mytek 8x96 in front of the stock 002, I am used to hearing nice quality conversion/clocking.

FWIW, I'm NOT against the fact that the BLA 002 could sound better/as good as/whatever than the Myteks in front of the stock 002...I just haven't had enough time playing around yet to come to that conclusion, and want to be clear and concise about this.

However, I will say though, my first impressions of the black lion 002 are WOW+.

Those in line will be stoked...others with an off the shelf 002 take a ticket. You'll be glad you did...

I'm heading to the studio in a little while to have much more fun with it, and I will have much more to say, and most likely A/B files for ya'll to hear.

I'll be back for more...later y'all

I'm thinking I might give this a shot! I just gotta figure out how to work whil my 002 is in the shop

22nd April 2006	#63
commaKaze Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 288	Bobmaus, I sent my 002 in BLA pretty much the day he added it to the list of mods, and was lucky enough to schedule April 11th cos' of a cancellation date...As far as I know, at least on this forum/thread, it looks like I'll be the 1st, or one of, to get it back...not completely sure though. Appears as so... I actually got an email Wed. concerning the progress, which was really nice...the analog stages are completely done, the new clock is in final testing, most likely done at this point, and they were waiting on a fresh batch of the AK5393 converter chips' arrival midweek(could already have them by now). My 002 probably could've been back by now, or on it's way, but I opted for the new internal clock design, which was newly introduced as an option while he had my 002. So, since I opted for that, I accepted that that would take a little more time than just analog stages/converter upgrade...worth the wait for me. That's all the news I have for now, promise to inform upon return...It seems as though relatively soon... __________________ "Sting. Sting would be another person who's a hero. The music he's created over the years, I don't really listen to it, but the fact that he's making it, I respect that." -Hansel, 2001 VH1 Fashion Awards (Zoolander)

4th May 2006	#71
commaKaze Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 288	Updates for Inquiring Minds: Batboy finishes new Guns N' Roses Album! Hey All, Matt@BLA shot me a "progress" email, and is finishing the work, and final testing the clock for my 002. The analog stages were done almost immediately, the A/D chips took a bit to arrive, but he got those and they've been installed. He's basically wrapping up the job on my 002. It would have well been back to me had I not opted for the new clock design, which was still in prototype. AK5393 chips aren't a problem. He even said it will ship to me before the weekend, meaning I'll probably have it in hands early to mid next week. Be back for more updates and sharing... Peace in the Northeast!

8th May 2006	#74
commaKaze Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 288	Black Lion 002 Arrives Tuesday!!! OK Update: My 002 with the full mod including new clock is in the bowels of FedEx as we speak, and is to be delivered to me Tuesday afternoon...no doubt I know what I'll be doing all evening...It may take a few days, but I'll be sure to post and feel free to prod and pry...Damn I wish it were Monday night! BTW, the BLA site has been updated with a full explanation as to how the new clock is designed, and an updated price list as well for those who wanted to know. Talk to ya, Mr. TTT

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22nd April 2006	#62
bobmaus Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2002 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 566	So has anyone here received their modded 002 back and have any comments. I'm scheduled for early May, so I would imagine a few have seen it back to their owners by now. Thanks, Bob

22nd April 2006	#64
Harsh Gear maniac Joined: Mar 2006 Location: Nashville Posts: 271	I am getting ready to send mine off hopefully this upcoming week.... I have been in talks with them trying to get in on a cacellation as well. I am very interested as to the difference you notice................

24th April 2006	#66
cletus Gear addict Joined: May 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 406	Where's the audio comparison for the 002 on the Black Lion site? I went to the "audio" section and all I saw were motu traveller comparisons.

26th April 2006	#68
norman_nomad Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 2,711	Very much looking forward to those comparisons. I was close to selling my 002r... now I might just upgrade it.

26th April 2006	#69
superburtm Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2005 Location: LOS ANGELES Posts: 3,602	I might be getting inline for the 002 upgrade too

30th April 2006	#70
bobmaus Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2002 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 566	Hey anybody got there upgraded 002 back yet? I'd love to get some first impressions, since I'm due to send mine in this week. Thanks, Bob

4th May 2006	#72
88fingerz Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 1,123	Hi! What's the co$t for this upgrade? Interested for sure!

8th May 2006	#75
Wiggum, Ralph Gear addict Joined: Aug 2005 Location: South Florida / NYC for now Posts: 332	commaKaze, can't wait to hear your comments...

8th May 2006	#76
scoob Gear maniac Joined: Jun 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 245	this mod decides weather i buy a 002 or not

9th May 2006	#77
Dickens Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 165	Very cool. Can't wait to hear reviews.

9th May 2006	#78
ramjet Gear addict Joined: Aug 2005 Location: ayr, north queensland, australia Posts: 401	hi i to can't wait to see how this mod works. very interesting cheers

10th May 2006	#83
commaKaze Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 288	Yes we do have 2 digi002s, and the other stock 002 will be in the rack right next to the new BLA 002...let y'all know...just got out of "real job" work, heading to studio now to play with my new toy, be doing much more with it tomorrow...

10th May 2006	#88
thebri Gear maniac Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Down Under a Table Posts: 161	Sweet. Mine goes in next week. I've been salivating about this for a while. I've got my 002R paired up hitw an RME and can't stand the sonic differerence anymore.