Originally Posted by Enlightened Hand
There are thousands of people out there
More like millions now, and this is the crux of the issue. The "old timers" or "old gaurd" as you call it, are getting squeezed by the home recording market.
In this market, the "great equalizer" (whatever the eff that means
) of cheap daws, mics, converters and dsp has dealt a huge blow to the people that paved the way for this industry.
No wonder they're ticked off.
The people that designed, helped design, or used daily, the hardware that these plugins were modeled after.
I am 40 now. I came in doing this for a living in 89'. Just a few years before the adat explosion. This daw stuff is not new, and we all saw it coming. I remember using a Session 8 box in a po dunk town in Va., in what, 92?
8 in, 8 out, the og protools. Before that, in the 80's it was things like the Studer dyaxsis we had in school. Daw's long before that too.
They just costed more
, and that's the real issue.
Now anyone can have the digital thing.
All I am saying is, this was coming all along, and we all knew it.
The issue I have with it, is no, I don't think it sounds as good, and hasn't for a long while.
Yet like you said in another post, "It doesn't matter what it's recorded on, it could be a cell phone, and people will buy it if it's a good song". I tried to quote from memory, so if it is errant, please excuse me. I am getting to be an old timer.
Remember, to look at the big picture.
If these "old timers" are saying the plugins don't sound as good as the real deal, there could be two reasons for it.
It could be that they are fearful that once they admit "defeat" and that any kid in his bedroom can have the same sound as they have had for 30 years, it's all over.
I'm sure this is part of it.
However, it is probably also correct (stay with me for a minute) that when these people say the dsp does not sound as good, they are probably right. Seeing as they have been using that which it was modeled from their entire lives, they might just be the ones to know.
More importantly though, seeing as these people are the ones who made the recording industry what it is, and advanced it to the point where you have all these wonderful new dsp toys, please try and show them some respect, rather than making it a battle between the newcomers, and people that have been doing this forever.
In any industry, it's about mentoring, and learning from the people that came before you. My guess is that's why places like this exist.
People want to learn. Notice how when they have guest producers on here, the whole feel of the place changes for a bit.?
For some reason though, in the audio community, this seems to be changing. It's like it's gotten so competitive, people are ready to "take others out" at whatever cost.
And for what? $30-$75 an hour?
I can understand the negativity in this forum. I get it.
It's like anywhere else in nature....it's really coming down to survival I think. People (and animals) will do whatever it takes to survive.
Please at least show a little respect, is all I am asking.
Making enemies of these people you call "the old guard", is not going to expand your clientele, and certainly not your knowledge base.
Just a thought.
Sorry for the long post,
btw...I use both plugins and daws and analog consoles and tape.
Not picking sides here, though I am fearful of where the industry is going. I fear if we keep up the way we are going, there won't be an industry in a decade or two.