TC Powercore this late in the game?

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

now that its a "dying" platform.. is it still worth buying it?

also, im seeing poco's at low AND high prices, so i do not know if its owners trying to get rid of it or that there are models that have issues that im not aware of. thoughts?

and last: virus on the poco seem to have many many threads on forums aboout issues... still the case?

oh and whats better the firewire (non x8) or the cards?

[AcoosticZoo]

Yes, Powercore Virus is buggy still on my system. Snow Leopard Logic 9.

There are workarounds though, but it depends on your system config.

If you're after that Virus sound, and that's the only reason why you'd invest in a powercore, u should consider a 2nd hand Virus TI Snow which will do the same job as a powercore virus.

In regards to the Power core and VSS3 DVR2 and non lin2, these plugins work well in current config, however, with release of Lion around the corner and another Logic upgrade soonish, I think it's fair to say that you'll be locked into the current snow leopard/logic 9 setup if you continue to use TC POCO.

There's not a question about the quality, just a matter of driver support atm. AS is, the drivers are flakey with Virus POCO.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[an.unna.kid]

If I didnt own 2 already I would buy one. The reverbs are still the best out there and virus together with cl1b and the vintage amp room are simply unstopable. I use mine everyday.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by AcoosticZoo

Yes, Powercore Virus is buggy still on my system. Snow Leopard Logic 9.

There are workarounds though, but it depends on your system config.

If you're after that Virus sound, and that's the only reason why you'd invest in a powercore, u should consider a 2nd hand Virus TI Snow which will do the same job as a powercore virus.

In regards to the Power core and VSS3 DVR2 and non lin2, these plugins work well in current config, however, with release of Lion around the corner and another Logic upgrade soonish, I think it's fair to say that you'll be locked into the current snow leopard/logic 9 setup if you continue to use TC POCO.

There's not a question about the quality, just a matter of driver support atm. AS is, the drivers are flakey with Virus POCO.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

fuk! i forgot about lion. damn!

i would think most AU software would be compatible. unless logic only accepts updated lions plugin. its been i while since i went through the upgrade to snow leopard so i don't remember how it works w macs.

and yes, i have already a TI which is great. still wondering about the poco version.

[gsilbers]

damn..

well, ive reading on tc forums and seems there is no future development for lion.
more precise is that if poco is compatible then great but if its not then most likley no update.
so its a matter of waiting for lion and new logic.

i know for argument sake that i still could be on snow L for a long while but we all know that there probably going to be some kickass plugins or tools that will only work with lion. heck, maybe UAD ports all of tc's plugins but will only works with lion.. who knows, u never know. i guess i can wait on this one. prices will only drop further soooo..

[AudioSoundzz]

I have a Powercore firewire and a 6000 and Virus as well as many of the other plugs. They are running without any problems with Snow Leopard. I have Virus Multi and often runs many instances without problems. My DAW is Digital Performer.

Regarding Lion, Powercore has been tested to work just find with Lion. He is one of the forum folks who is a tester for Apple.

I see no reason to think Powercore is not a good investment. I see that JR was selling the PC6000 for $1300 which is a steal! Most the plugs are fantastic. The only reason JR can sell them so cheap is because they purchased a boat load of them from PC. I doubt prices will go any lower. In fact I image they will go up some day in the future as they are looked as being rare.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by AudioSoundzz

I have a Powercore firewire and a 6000 and Virus as well as many of the other plugs. They are running without any problems with Snow Leopard. I have Virus Multi and often runs many instances without problems. My DAW is Digital Performer.

Regarding Lion, Powercore has been tested to work just find with Lion. He is one of the forum folks who is a tester for Apple.

I see no reason to think Powercore is not a good investment. I see that JR was selling the PC6000 for $1300 which is a steal! Most the plugs are fantastic. The only reason JR can sell them so cheap is because they purchased a boat load of them from PC. I doubt prices will go any lower. In fact I image they will go up some day in the future as they are looked as being rare.

cool thats good to know.

now, u say u have both the firewire and the 6000 version of poco,

im thinking of the firewire version only... what will i miss compared to the 6000.?
can u (or anyone) explain what 4 dsp chips gets u and not get u compared to the 6k?
the firewire is about $400-600 but the 6000 is almost double.

[Lorddiagram]

I did a trade with a friend and he "threw in" an old, PCI=based powercore. I think this may be the "orignal".

I have the box and the original install disc.

Anyone know if I can use this?


Do I need to register or download updated software?

Thanks

lD

[Lorddiagram]

bump for my possible hijack -

lD

[gsilbers]

i think u only need to do the plugin transfer and make sure your system is pci and not pci-e or pci-x

[AudioSoundzz]

cool thats good to know.

now, u say u have both the firewire and the 6000 version of poco,

im thinking of the firewire version only... what will i miss compared to the 6000.?
can u (or anyone) explain what 4 dsp chips gets u and not get u compared to the 6k?
the firewire is about $400-600 but the 6000 is almost double.

The 6000 has twice as much space for plugs and comes with high-end mastering plugs and verbs. The included plugs are listed on the TC site. The Powercore 6000 used to cost over $6000.00 and many people purchased it at that price, so the plugins are seriously good. I would have a hard time working without them. IMOP the TC Brickwall is the best final brickwall ever made. It is very punchy and does not allow any overs which no other do that I know of. The MD3 mastering plug is very punchy and can create enhanced stereo that is out of this world. My Hip Hop and Dance mastering has gotten rave reviews from customers as a result of these plugs along with waves eq and compression often used in the chain. The 6000 reverbs are fantastic as well.

PS = the TC plugs are about 50% off until June 15th.

[gsilbers]

yes, the vss3 and md3 seem like winners.

but those are also available for pro tools HD which i have. :(

both platforms seem to be ending. tc sooner than pthd.

i can get at a very cool price the powercore x8 with vss3 and dvr2
like $600 .

im still on the fence with this. as i would also wanna get a slim phatty and/or a godin multiac and maybe upgrade to pro tools native HD.

oh damn all this expensive gear.

[gsilbers]

the lack of posts makes me realize that no many really cared for the poco :(

[r4uz]

I was always under the impression it was a bit gimmicky compared to the UAD or Waves stuff.

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by r4uz

I was always under the impression it was a bit gimmicky compared to the UAD or Waves stuff.

ouch! damn.
why did u think it was gimmicky?

i like that it has some of the system 6k algos.

i would only get it for 4 plugs: Vss3 verb, MD3, mx3/5 and virus

i have the TI already and the others seem to be equal to other things in the market. thus, the reason i don't know.
cpu strain is not a biggie imo if u have 8 core 16gb ram.
UAD to me really looks gimmiky.. well i think folks look more into how real the plugs look than the sound. sound maybe is not too bad but i think waves is kinda similar imo.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by AcoosticZoo

Yes, Powercore Virus is buggy still on my system. Snow Leopard Logic 9.

There are workarounds though, but it depends on your system config.

If you're after that Virus sound, and that's the only reason why you'd invest in a powercore, u should consider a 2nd hand Virus TI Snow which will do the same job as a powercore virus.

In regards to the Power core and VSS3 DVR2 and non lin2, these plugins work well in current config, however, with release of Lion around the corner and another Logic upgrade soonish, I think it's fair to say that you'll be locked into the current snow leopard/logic 9 setup if you continue to use TC POCO.

There's not a question about the quality, just a matter of driver support atm. AS is, the drivers are flakey with Virus POCO.

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

man I really wish Access would just do a native version of Virus and be done with it.

[Animus]

I just scored a Powercore Firewire box with Acces Virus, NonLin, DVR2 and VSS3 for $650 on ebay. wow. I think I might sell the VSS3 license which I never liked. I think you can sell individual license on the Powercore platform without being attached to the hardware right?

[javahut]

Originally Posted by Animus

I just scored a Powercore Firewire box with Acces Virus, NonLin, DVR2 and VSS3 for $650 on ebay. wow. I think I might sell the VSS3 license which I never liked.

You never liked VSS3? Wha? What do you like?

And, oh yeah... I personally wouldn't bother with anything other than the PCI MkII or PCIe cards. Many people have had issues, it seems, with the Powecore firewire boxes (but not all). The PCI and PCIe cards pretty much work flawlessly across the board (at least mine have... for 6 years now).

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by javahut

You never liked VSS3? Wha? What do you like?

And, oh yeah... I personally wouldn't bother with anything other than the PCI MkII or PCIe cards. Many people have had issues, it seems, with the Powecore firewire boxes (but not all). The PCI and PCIe cards pretty much work flawlessly across the board (at least mine have... for 6 years now).

i have to say that i have not seen many used pcie cards on ebay or at least at a muhc lower priced than its firewire counterpart.
which means user might be happier w them? ..
or there wherent that many sold as the firewire version.

[Nuno_F]

Thomann is selling the 6000 for 1079 euros now.

TC ELECTRONIC POWERCORE 6000 - Thomann Irish Cyberstore

[gsilbers]

the 6k is the same as the x8 with the mastering plugins right?

the md3, vss3, nondim etc


how is the md3?

is very expensive to buy separatly

[Nuno_F]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

the 6k is the same as the x8 with the mastering plugins right?

the md3, vss3, nondim etc


how is the md3?

is very expensive to buy separatly

Yes, the 6000 has all those.

MD3 is very good, as is the brickwall limiter.

The only thing is the firewire unit is not the most stable. Mine has given me a load of problems with W7 64 bit, although it worked very well with XP before that.

[nott]

i never would buy a tc product again.

i bought the x8 and many other plugs for poco. they sounds all great.
the only plugs i miss is character and the brickwall limiter.
for all other poco plugs i found other solutions to work with!!!

[Animus]

I just got the Powercore FIrewire in. Works great in Windows 7 64bit here. And man, the Virus freaking rocks! Blows away all other digital synths I've tried. I hate it I waited so long to get it.

[Animus]

Originally Posted by javahut

You never liked VSS3? Wha? What do you like?

And, oh yeah... I personally wouldn't bother with anything other than the PCI MkII or PCIe cards. Many people have had issues, it seems, with the Powecore firewire boxes (but not all). The PCI and PCIe cards pretty much work flawlessly across the board (at least mine have... for 6 years now).

The VSS3 was too clean and sterile for me. I prefer more Lexicon type reverbs.

[Nuno_F]

Originally Posted by Animus

I just the Powercore FIrewire in. Works great in Windows 7 64bit here.

This latest version works a lot better than the previous ones here as well actually, and the plugins behave reasonably well with jbridge. The only issue I have now is with Fabrik R, which distorts if is instanced in some DSP's.

All in all I am happy with the powercore and I think the 6000 is a steal at this price.

Originally Posted by Animus

And man, the Virus freaking rocks! Blows away all other digital synths I've tried. I hate it I waited so long to get it.

I was shocked with how different the virus sounds to other softsynths when I got it. There's just something about the sound that is different. Comparing with somethinng like albino, which has a similar architecture, the virus just sounds so much more alive, bright and punchy.

Now I have a Ti as well so the powercore is just a backup in case the Ti runs out of polyphony, which hasn't happened yet.

[macleodgrant]

anybody tried it with lion?

[Mini-Dan]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

anybody tried it with lion?

OSX Lion (Page 1) - PowerCore Platform - TC Electronic Forum

Seems like good news.

//Dan

[charlieclouser]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

anybody tried it with lion?

I have. PowerCore v4.1.3 installs correctly and the plugins work, although they use the 32-bit bridge mode when running Logic in 64-bit.