East West Quantum Leap Choir WordBuilder
Old 22nd February 2006
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East West Quantum Leap Choir WordBuilder

Can anyone help me out on this, I can't get the words to come out, I've checked all the tutorials that are on soundsonline.com so please don't redirect me there. I try following what the guy does on screen and just press the keys after I put in the words but just piano sounds come out, and its weird cause whenever I try to change the global channel I just get different piano sounds. So ****ing frustrating someone help me please.
Old 22nd February 2006
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I can only assume that your MIDI track is not outputting to Choirs but is still routed to the default Wavetable synth.

Check manual and settings.
Old 22nd February 2006
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Does that mean I need a Midi Controller with a In and a Out ? Cause I only have one midi plug.
Old 22nd February 2006
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What DAW are you using?

You need to do something like this -

Select your MIDI track.

Select input as 'MIDI input (whatever your MIDI input and controller keyboard is attached to'.

Select MIDI output as 'Symphonic Choirs'.
Old 22nd February 2006
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Im just trying to make it work as a standalone right now, not as a plug in, I can't get it to make sound with my Midi controller.
Old 22nd February 2006
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Ok... Is it a Kompakt Player instrument? (Most East West stuff is)..

Go to FILE > SETUP > MIDI

MIDI input is your interface's MIDI input. Check its active.

MIDI output doesnt matter.

Go to SOUNDCARD

Are you on PC? Then set interface to ASIO

OUTPUT DEVICE is your audio interface. NOT the generic interfaces but the actual name of your actual interface ie. ECHO PCI or EMU ASIO etc...

Go to ROUTING. Select Outputs 1/2 as your interface's 1 and 2 outputs.

Should be good to go

EDIT: Just had thought... you're not using a keyboard with its own sounds as your controller are you? Do you mean your keyboard is playing the piano sounds...?
Old 23rd February 2006
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Originally Posted by mogWai
Ok... Is it a Kompakt Player instrument? (Most East West stuff is)..

Go to FILE > SETUP > MIDI

MIDI input is your interface's MIDI input. Check its active.

MIDI output doesnt matter.

Go to SOUNDCARD

Are you on PC? Then set interface to ASIO

OUTPUT DEVICE is your audio interface. NOT the generic interfaces but the actual name of your actual interface ie. ECHO PCI or EMU ASIO etc...

Go to ROUTING. Select Outputs 1/2 as your interface's 1 and 2 outputs.

Should be good to go

EDIT: Just had thought... you're not using a keyboard with its own sounds as your controller are you? Do you mean your keyboard is playing the piano sounds...?
Word Builder is a separate application. Its not as straight forward as it seems. At a friends' studio, I could never get it to work in standalone mode. (I'm not saying it isn't possible. Just my tiny mind couldn't figure it out.) I used nuendo as a host. You have to call up word builder as a midi plug-in. Then call up symphonic choirs as a vst plug. Set the midi out of WB to the Input of EWSC. In EWSC you can't use the regular voices in the program slots, i.e. sopranos, boys choir, etc. You have to use the voices in the MULTI menu that have WB in their titles.
Old 24th February 2006
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thanx alot for the advice
Old 24th February 2006
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Hi Machine,

Did you get it to work?

How does it perform in practial use and can you post a sound file?

I listened to the demos with my mother who has been a choir director for the past 30 years. We were both AMAZED!

Years ago I purchased the Symphony of Voices sample set- amazing. BUT that Choir word builder takes the cake if you can actually type in words for the choir to sing and sound THAT good!

Let us know how realistic it sounds --- post a file please!
Old 24th February 2006
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Make sure you have lots of RAM. At least 2 gigs. 1.25 gigs kept displaying a running out of memory warning.
Old 3rd February 2009
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Make sure you have lots of RAM. At least 2 gigs. 1.25 gigs kept displaying a running out of memory warning.

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Old 6th February 2009
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who let dennis leary in

btw 2 gb of ram is oh, about $50

1tb hd is $150

so for around $300 just about any recent computer should be good to go.
Old 12th October 2009
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Please help.....problem with wordbuilder and symphonic choirs

Hi,

Im completely new to forums.

I have a Digi 003 factory and am using ProTools 8 factory bundle. I recently got hold of EWQL Symphonic Choirs along with Word Builder ver. 1.16. All Installations went fine.

Problem is in the wordbuilder midi input selection, i get only two inputs

Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 Control Port

In mdi outputs i get four options

Microsoft GS Wavetable synth
Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 port 2
Digi 003 Control Port


So when i select the 1st option for midi input, it works fine, my keyboard MIDI is being recognized by the wordbuilder. But at the same time when i open EW symphonic Choirs program, the inputs disappear and cant get it to work. Also, when opening ProTools, i get the error saying the midi ports are being used my another program. IN SHORT I CANT GET SYMPHONIC CHOIRS TO WORK ON MY PC

PLEASE HELP. Im getting headache with solving this mess. Thanks guys
Old 7th December 2009
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how does this word builder work? anygood?
is it usable for rock music?
Old 31st January 2010
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Dam! Wow! hahaha I absolutely loved your rant there Skygod. In fact it was the reason I went through the registration process. I see it was done a few years back but still had to come up just to say
Old 3rd March 2010
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Anyone out there for some help

I have a Digi 003 factory and am using ProTools 8 factory bundle. I recently got hold of EWQL Symphonic Choirs along with Word Builder ver. 1.16. All Installations went fine.

Problem is in the wordbuilder midi OUTPUT selection, Well here are my inputs, which are fine,

Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 Control Port

However, In midi outputs i only get three options

Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 port 2
Digi 003 Control Port

Basically i am not able to select SC as my output from WB. Anyone out there having this problem?


PLEASE HELP. Im getting headache with solving this mess. Thanks guys
Old 3rd March 2010
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Originally Posted by joel007 View Post
I have a Digi 003 factory and am using ProTools 8 factory bundle. I recently got hold of EWQL Symphonic Choirs along with Word Builder ver. 1.16. All Installations went fine.

Problem is in the wordbuilder midi OUTPUT selection, Well here are my inputs, which are fine,

Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 Control Port

However, In midi outputs i only get three options

Digidesign 003 port 1
Digidesign 003 port 2
Digi 003 Control Port

Basically i am not able to select SC as my output from WB. Anyone out there having this problem?


PLEASE HELP. Im getting headache with solving this mess. Thanks guys

working fine here on pro tools 801 cs1
works better standalone, cos play is a ram hog from hell even with 4 gb of ram witch makes me wonder that i am not supprised they recoment 64bit os for play
i cant use my east west instruments on a 32bit os within pro tools doing 8 min orchesta,never gonna happen!! but i can build up a smal song with maybe 20 channels at the most
and for wordbuilder to function you need a virtual midi device,im using midi yoke witch is free and works fine. if you dont have it just google midi yoke.

good luck
Old 18th May 2010
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Okay seriously, can anyone help me out here please? I am having the same problem, there is no MIDI interface called 'WordBuilder Virtual MIDI' or something like that, how do I install the MIDI Driver so that it can loopback to Symphonic Choirs? This is so frustrating and I don't know why people are not answering this question. Its also stupid how the software has to rely on MIDI when they can EASILY integrate this feature as an addon to the software itself.
Old 18th May 2010
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Okay seriously, can anyone help me out here please? I am having the same problem, there is no MIDI interface called 'WordBuilder Virtual MIDI' or something like that, how do I install the MIDI Driver so that it can loopback to Symphonic Choirs? This is so frustrating and I don't know why people are not answering this question. Its also stupid how the software has to rely on MIDI when they can EASILY integrate this feature as an addon to the software itself.
I'll help you buddy.

I actually was able to make this run on ableton 7 even though it's not supposed to.

I know your confusion. And this is kinda complex to do.

Here goes:

google search and install midi yoke. (I'm on iPhone so I'm not gonna search it for your link)

open your daw and open 6 midi channels.

1 will be your in/out and the other 5 will be outputs for vowels sections.

Engage your keyboard controller on all 6.

1 will take input from your keys and output to wordbuilder.

It will go through wordbuilder, and route back to the 5 vowel channels.

This is why you need midi yoke. For those 5.

So output from that 1 With choirs (multi) loaded on it to midi yoke channel 1.

on wordbuilder set the input from midi yoke mid 1.

On wordbuilder set the Vowel outputs to midi yoke 2-6.

On your daw, set the inputs respectively 2-6 for each individual. And set the outputs in your daw do your speakers.

So the chain goes keyboard in - midi1 out - wordbuilder in - wordbuilder out - midi 2-6 in - sound out.

When you install midi yoke there will be like 10+ virtual midi channels on your system.

This only works with a multi not with single voices. The reason it can make words is it uses multi voices to create the vowels for words.

Pm me if you have more questions.

You can find this step process in detail somewhere online search for it too.
Old 5th June 2010
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I'll help you buddy.

I actually was able to make this run on ableton 7 even though it's not supposed to.

I know your confusion. And this is kinda complex to do.

Here goes:

google search and install midi yoke. (I'm on iPhone so I'm not gonna search it for your link)

open your daw and open 6 midi channels.

1 will be your in/out and the other 5 will be outputs for vowels sections.

Engage your keyboard controller on all 6.

1 will take input from your keys and output to wordbuilder.

It will go through wordbuilder, and route back to the 5 vowel channels.

This is why you need midi yoke. For those 5.

So output from that 1 With choirs (multi) loaded on it to midi yoke channel 1.

on wordbuilder set the input from midi yoke mid 1.

On wordbuilder set the Vowel outputs to midi yoke 2-6.

On your daw, set the inputs respectively 2-6 for each individual. And set the outputs in your daw do your speakers.

So the chain goes keyboard in - midi1 out - wordbuilder in - wordbuilder out - midi 2-6 in - sound out.

When you install midi yoke there will be like 10+ virtual midi channels on your system.

This only works with a multi not with single voices. The reason it can make words is it uses multi voices to create the vowels for words.

Pm me if you have more questions.

You can find this step process in detail somewhere online search for it too.
Dude thank you very much, someone told me on another website to use MIDI Yoke but I will refer to this and get it working. Also I didn't know you could type on this website all that using an Iphone haha!
Old 5th June 2010
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Hey I still need help, I installed Midi Yoke and now I don't know what to do. What should I do if I just want this to work standalone? The routings all seem confusing to me.
Old 1st July 2010
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Hey guys, I also need some advice. Maybe I'm just missing something that you can clear up. I'm using wordbuilder and symphonic choirs as stand alone at the moment, and I'm connecting them via midi yolk. Wordbuilder sends to midi yolk port 1 channels 1-5, and symphonic choirs is set to receive from midi yolk port 1.

However, regardless of what words I type in wordbuilder, symphonic choirs simply plays the chord I'm pressing on the midi controller, in other words different vowels/consonants aren't being sent to the correct places. The result is usually a uniform 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.' I have checked that symphonic choirs isn't receiving anything from the controller.

I must be stupid, but I need someone to tell me where? Thanks!
Old 2nd July 2010
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I use Choirs with Cubase. To do this, you select the appropriate choir "instrument" as a VST instrument and the WordBuilder app runs as a MIDI insert on the same track. It takes some massaging, but I can usually get a phrase sounding uncannily real. The only problem is that with Cubase 5 it doesn't export properly (dropped syllables and such) which has been determined to be a Cubase problem. The guys at EastWest are working on a new version where the WordBuilder will be directly integrated with the Play engine, which should solve this problem. Can't wait for this!
Old 2nd July 2010
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Yeah, I reckon I'm just going to start using it in Cubase now. Who could have thought that would actually be simpler?? It's about time they integrated the two applications; I mean if you're going to pay the money for EWSC, chances are you want your choir to sing words?
Old 23rd December 2010
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I use Choirs with Cubase. To do this, you select the appropriate choir "instrument" as a VST instrument and the WordBuilder app runs as a MIDI insert on the same track. It takes some massaging, but I can usually get a phrase sounding uncannily real. The only problem is that with Cubase 5 it doesn't export properly (dropped syllables and such) which has been determined to be a Cubase problem. The guys at EastWest are working on a new version where the WordBuilder will be directly integrated with the Play engine, which should solve this problem. Can't wait for this!
Is this solved?
Old 24th December 2010
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Is this solved?
Good question. There's a beta currently undergoing user-testing; I've heard there's a few kinks to work out. But really, it's taking way too long. I have a song waiting for this fix; it's holding up an entire Cd release
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