4th April 2011
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#1 | | Gear maniac
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Thread Starter | the NEW duet2 versus RME Babyrace
thoughts?
Seems like we're talking about USB interface versus Firewire
Converters seem like top condition
Thinking about making a purchase, any past experience/new buyers of Duet2 would be appreciated
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4th April 2011
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#2 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2009 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
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Unless I'm mistaken, Duet 2 isn't shipping until the end of April. So unless a beta tester weighs in, it's probably gonna' be a few weeks before they're actually in anyone's hands.
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4th April 2011
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#3 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2007 Location: New York
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Originally Posted by assassin  thoughts?
Seems like we're talking about USB interface versus Firewire
Converters seem like top condition
Thinking about making a purchase, any past experience/new buyers of Duet2 would be appreciated | It might be a month or so before people actually have the Duet 2 in their studios. Apogee isn't shipping to dealers till the 3rd or 4th week of April.
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4th April 2011
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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As much as I like Apogee, having ADAT capabilities would be an awesome option to have, so I might got with the RME!
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4th April 2011
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by assassin thoughts?
Seems like we're talking about USB interface versus Firewire
Converters seem like top condition | They are both USB. Neither is firewire. No one has tried both because duet is not out yet.
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5th April 2011
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#6 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011
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Thread Starter |
doesn't duet also have ADAT?
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5th April 2011
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Babyface all the way. The mac-only limitation of the Duet is something I can't afford to live with.
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5th April 2011
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#9 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jun 2008
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Originally Posted by diogo_c Babyface all the way. The mac-only limitation of the Duet is something I can't afford to live with. | I honestly can't think of a good reason why a company would not want to cater to a larger user base of pc users, especially with entry level products such as the duet. It isn't THAT difficult to produce window drivers. I know they're a small company, but you would think that paying someone to create windows drivers would increase profitability tenfold.
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5th April 2011
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#10 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 169
Thread Starter |
just checked the website, it says duet2 will have AD/DA with analog outs and you can send a separate mix to headphones like with the audio kontrol
.... so i have no idea what you mean when oyu say "RME has ADAT and duet doesn't"
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5th April 2011
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#12 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011
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Okay, sorry for the noobness.. I still don't understand: what are the practical elements of ADAT lightpipe?
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5th April 2011
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#13 | | Gear nut
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Northern Ireland
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I used to have both the Duet and the Babyface.
I prefer the Duet for its look and simplicity (just works with Mac). It feels slightly more sturdy than the Babyface. My only complaint back then was the unbalanced outputs.
Now that the Duet2 has balanced outputs, I think its a pretty good buy.
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5th April 2011
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#14 | | Gear nut
Joined: Nov 2007
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Hello,
I have many different set-ups and I bought the babyface for mobile purposes and it is greatly recommanded --- it sounds as great as the fireface 800 !
The midi in/out and Adat possibilities is a total winner compared to the duet
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5th April 2011
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#15 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jan 2006 Location: MXDF/SATX
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Originally Posted by thelead I honestly can't think of a good reason why a company would not want to cater to a larger user base of pc users, especially with entry level products such as the duet. | Apogee has a strategic partnership with Apple. While it may not make immediate sense to limit one's market with this partnership, it saves them money on advertising since Apple pimps their gear, as well as saving them money on the back end by reducing the amount of coders, bug-fixers, and customer service people they'd need to hire to help PC peeps running on a dog's breakfast of computers/components (as opposed to the standardized, essentially "turnkey" closed systems Apple makes).
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5th April 2011
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#16 | | Gear addict
Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Sheffield
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Originally Posted by assassin Okay, sorry for the noobness.. I still don't understand: what are the practical elements of ADAT lightpipe? | ADAT allows you to stream 8 channels of digital audio into the interface.
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5th April 2011
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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RME has cross platform drivers which I need, and Adat is a bonus. That's where my money goes.
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16th April 2011
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by thelead I honestly can't think of a good reason why a company would not want to cater to a larger user base of pc users, especially with entry level products such as the duet. It isn't THAT difficult to produce window drivers. I know they're a small company, but you would think that paying someone to create windows drivers would increase profitability tenfold. | If the company is doing well with their current business model then why mess with a good thing. R&D is a ton easier when it's limited to Macs. Apogee is adored and respected by the Mac community for putting 100% of their efforts into the Mac platform.
Not every company wants to grow exponentially.
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16th April 2011
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Not writing drivers for multiple operating systems isn't something that I consider to be a plus. That's speaking as a Mac user with an Ensemble. The next time I need to purchase an audio interface it wont be one that's OSX only.
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17th April 2011
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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Funny how Apogee is dedicated developing only for OS X, but RME has still million times better drivers and software for both OS X and Windows.
You can´t even pan the output channels with the Apogee software. I mean how ridiculous is that?  | |
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18th April 2011
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#21 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011
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^think thatll change with the new duet?
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18th April 2011
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#22 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2007 Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
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I've just sold a DUET (ver1) and bought the Babyface... OMG! The Babyface is incredible.. My main rig is a FireFace800, but the drivers for the Babyface are much faster in terms of latency. The pres on the BFace sound awesome!!!
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18th April 2011
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#23 | | Lives for gear
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Baby race lol any day. Apogee drivers have been slow to update and hit and miss. Plus baby has zero latency monitoring fx
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18th April 2011
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#24 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by mdme_sadie Not writing drivers for multiple operating systems isn't something that I consider to be a plus. . | But with RME it's certainly not a negative - they have it down pat.
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18th April 2011
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#25 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 169
Thread Starter |
latency is supposed to be lower on the new duet2..
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11th May 2011
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#26 | | Gear interested
Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Germany
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Funny how everyone raves about the technical points, and specs.
Maybe i am oldschool, but i do rate products by functionality and sound.
I have been working with RME and Apogee products for the last decade.
The Apogee sounds better to my ears, is this a valid point?
Never had driver issues with each of them
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11th May 2011
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#27 | | Gear addict
Joined: Jan 2009 Location: London, Europe
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I too have used RME (FF800) and Apogee (Ensemble) and sound quality wise I have no problems with either. I'm sure the new Duet will be good - but I'll be buying the Babyface, despite the stupid name. ADAT makes it so versatile for such a tiny portable interface. You can do a surround mix with it. You can connect something like an Isa828 and track an ensemble. And RME's drivers are excellent.
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