Logic Pro: Fade update problem (-36)??

[qubi]

Hi, I was hoping i could get some help with this.. Recently I've been getting a lot of error -36 prompts on my projects. It happens mostly after I create the first fade on an audio region, or import in some regions with fades from another project. It usually goes away after I start playback and stop a few times, or save, but its not consistent. I've tried re-saving as a new project, fixing the recording path, but it stills sometimes pops up randomly. This is with both new songs (started in 9) and older pro8 projects opened in 9..

Any ideas? could it be my audio drive getting old? a problem with file indexing?? I'm stumped why this is suddenly happening.. Thanks everyone.

Mac pro (1st gen) quad 2.6, 14GB ram
logic pro 9.1.2

[beyond]

Same thing here. Don't know how to get rid of it....
Seems some songs never get it though....

[cyrano]

If you're recording to the startup disk, I'd make a backup and check that disk. Also check cabling, especially if you're using an external disk. And do you have enough free space on that disk? You should keep at least 20% free, ideally, 10% minimal.

-36 is a disk I/O error.

[cowudders]

If there's a problem with the fades, which sometimes happens, I always select 'delete all fade files', Logic rebuilds them on next 'play' and all is save.

Maybe it's also a file reference problem, in this case re-save with all 'assets', so that Logic copies every audiofile and changes the file-references to the new files, this should do the trick.

Also check if your 'recording path' is valid, sometimes with old projects, Logic gets confused about the now missing path.

[qubi]

Originally Posted by cyrano

If you're recording to the startup disk, I'd make a backup and check that disk. Also check cabling, especially if you're using an external disk. And do you have enough free space on that disk? You should keep at least 20% free, ideally, 10% minimal.

-36 is a disk I/O error.

No, i'm recording to a second internal drive with plenty of free space, although the disk is a few years old now. Recently i have had my external drives (sound library, backups) not show up on the desktop, and required a few restarts and disconnect/reconnect my drives don't know if its related.

Originally Posted by cowudders

If there's a problem with the fades, which sometimes happens, I always select 'delete all fade files', Logic rebuilds them on next 'play' and all is save.

Maybe it's also a file reference problem, in this case re-save with all 'assets', so that Logic copies every audiofile and changes the file-references to the new files, this should do the trick.

Also check if your 'recording path' is valid, sometimes with old projects, Logic gets confused about the now missing path.

I do save projects with all assets, and i've noticed the recording path is always blank, but i've been redirecting it. I'll double check on the asset settings. Where is the "delete fade files?" (sorry, i'm not infront of logic right now).. thanks.

[GCL]

This has to be a new bug. I'm having the same problem and there are many other posts on all the various forums with many others having the exact same issue. This appeared with the last update, 9.1.3.

hope Apple will fix this soon, and not make us wait until they release their next major update.

[qubi]

Hmm.. I'm still on 9.1.2 though.. and i just worked on a simple song and didn't have the problem show up.. I hate random bugs :(

[Lagerfeldt]

Originally Posted by GCL

This has to be a new bug. I'm having the same problem and there are many other posts on all the various forums with many others having the exact same issue. This appeared with the last update, 9.1.3.

hope Apple will fix this soon, and not make us wait until they release their next major update.

It doesn't happen here. I don't think it's a bug or qualifies as a bug, but rather a local problem.

Fade updating problems could be related to a file permission problem on the disk/folder. Check that.

[qubi]

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

It doesn't happen here. I don't think it's a bug or qualifies as a bug, but rather a local problem.

Fade updating problems could be related to a file permission problem on the disk/folder. Check that.

OK, cool. I'll repair permissions and check the settings on my folders/drives.. Hope that helps things. thanks. thumbsup

[GCL]

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

It doesn't happen here. I don't think it's a bug or qualifies as a bug, but rather a local problem.

Fade updating problems could be related to a file permission problem on the disk/folder. Check that.

I tried repairing permissions (is that what you mean?), but that doesn't help. Deleting all fades and reselecting the record folder is the only thing that does help. Got the problem the very first time I booted 9.1.3 (or maybe it was with 9.1.2, I can't remember for sure) after I installed the update. At a later date, about a few months later, I switched to a new SSD Mac boot drive with a complete new clean install of everything (including MacOS and Logic), and also installed a new SSD drive for Logic files, but this did nothing to fix the problem.

[Lagerfeldt]

Have you tried with another drive?

Have you tried checking and correcting file permissions manually? Do a Command+I on the parent folder and subfolders.

There's an option to change file permissions on the parent folder and let those permissions push through to all subfolders and files.

It's almost certainly a disk issue, and unless it's a physical problem (which I doubt) it's very likely some kind of setting/permissions problem.

Also try force updating Spotlight on that drive.

[valis]

If Logic continues to do this when I use the delete all fades function, it usually means something is up with audio that's not contained in the project folder, or that my project folder has inconsistent permissions in its folder structure. Things can also wind up in trash, temporary locations under your account or folders that have incorrect permissions. Doing a DiskUtil permissions repair may not reveal the last one, especially if you swap external drives a lot and/or use multiple accounts on a single machine.

[qubi]

Great advice everyone, I really appreciate it. I'm gonna try to systematically try to track this down. The permission issue sounds logical, and since i've had a few of the ext. drives drop out a few times, it may have screwed up the spotlight pref's, and where things where being placed (that i don't know of!).. I'm in the middle of a couple of projects now, but I'll try to work on it 1 drive at a time. for those experienceing similar problems, I'll post an update if things get better..

thanks again!

[bobdaspit]

same -36 error here every time I draw in a fade & hit play.

This has been happening for me since 9.1.1 - am on 9.1.3 now, 10.6.6

Delete all fades has been the best workaround for me up to this point.

[beyond]

I believe it's a bug and not drive related, I've had this for some months now, I've tried everything. Don't know what causes it really. Sometimes it's days before I see this error. Then on some songs it's on every region. Really weird. It's not the drives, I checked that also. Delete fade files doesn't help very long either. It's like a virus or something. Hopefully they'll sort it out in the next update.

[GCL]

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

Have you tried with another drive?

Have you tried checking and correcting file permissions manually? Do a Command+I on the parent folder and subfolders.

There's an option to change file permissions on the parent folder and let those permissions push through to all subfolders and files.

It's almost certainly a disk issue, and unless it's a physical problem (which I doubt) it's very likely some kind of setting/permissions problem.

Also try force updating Spotlight on that drive.

Yes, as I mentioned, I installed all new drives, same problem. I'll try your manual permissions suggestion, but I'll bet we'll see a fix for this with the next update. I agree it's a drive-related issue, but I do think it's caused by a bug.

[GCL]

Still getting these fade errors and -36 errors. Completely driving me nuts and slowing workflow. I've tried every solution mentioned so far...

[EricBradley]

Has anyone tried to highlight the external drive, press Command - I, Check the checkbox "Ignore ownership on this volume" (It's at the bottom...)?

[GCL]

Originally Posted by EricBradley

Has anyone tried to highlight the external drive, press Command - I, Check the checkbox "Ignore ownership on this volume" (It's at the bottom...)?

I will try that now and report back...

[GCL]

Originally Posted by EricBradley

Has anyone tried to highlight the external drive, press Command - I, Check the checkbox "Ignore ownership on this volume" (It's at the bottom...)?

Just tried it, no difference, problem still is there, thx.

[EricBradley]

Then it's not a permission problem.

[danseq]

Getting it here too, somewhat arbitrarily it seems. Some songs have it, some don't.

I find it often appears right after a "Save As" (different name) command.

I have "ignore ownership on this volume" checked on my project drive.

I believe this is a bug.

[beyond]

Just realized, when you get the fade update error....do you have Kontakt loaded? If I remove Kontakt 4 then the fade update errors are gone. Put Kontakt back in, and there's your problem hombre.

[sflogicninja]

Hey there.

Go to File->Project->Consolidate

It does have to do with the original source of audio files in the session.

Be sure to tell it to copy audio files.

*bows*

[GCL]

Originally Posted by beyond

Just realized, when you get the fade update error....do you have Kontakt loaded? If I remove Kontakt 4 then the fade update errors are gone. Put Kontakt back in, and there's your problem hombre.

Well, this is interesting. I always have a Kontakt 4 in my Logic sessions, usually many of them. Will be hard to track down if this is the cause since the issue comes and goes, but I will check it out.

For everyone's information, I just bought a new MacBook Pro and installed Logic, etc., and the fade issue is here again too, so to those of you who think this is a drive issue, you are wrong. Personally, it happens on a three of my Macs, and one with brand-new replaced drives, so no sense in exploring disk and permissions issues because it is a waste of time.

[GCL]

Originally Posted by sflogicninja

Hey there.

Go to File->Project->Consolidate

It does have to do with the original source of audio files in the session.

Be sure to tell it to copy audio files.

*bows*

Thank you. However, I have these fade issues in every Logic session. Having to consolidate each session every time this happens might be a band-aid fix for something else that is causing the problem. Good to have the fix, but routinely consolidating all my Logic sessions as I'm working through 40+ sessions on a film is not something I look forward to!

[Ckprod]

Hey guys I've been getting these a lot lately. Its definalty the origin of the file. I'm going to try the ninja trick now. Im working on a movie and copying absence nature sounds between projects, the fade is related to a different project (logic file) so when it tries to find the source of the fade it can't find it hence the error.

[markham]

I've been getting this error randomly for years--definitely back to at least 7, maybe even 6. It's very sporadic for me. Doesn't happen often, but when it does, I usually have to do a "Save as..." and then close the project. Reopen the project, and the problem is gone. This has happened on all my machines and all my drives for years, but again, for me, it's quite rare. Just happened yesterday, in fact, but hadn't happened for some months before that.

[beyond]

As soon as I remove Kontakt the problem goes away, I have to remove it, simply deactivating is not enough. So the bottomline is: it's related to Kontakt somehow. I don't think there's really anything wrong with the fade files, it's more to do with how Kontakt uses the harddrive, file system....

[mattrixx]

-36 errors are indeed permission errors. However, they're not fixed in the normal 'repair permission function of disk utility'.

The easiest way around this issue is to do a 'Get info' on the projects folder and click the padlock, enter your admin password when prompted. Then change the permissions in then get off of window to your admin account... Then, the most important part is to 'apply to enclosed items'. This will sort it every time.

Hope this helps

Regards,
Matt