I can't help with the demo (though I don't see why having a Mini would be a problem), but the Native plugins are unquestionably more efficient than the box was. I've verified this on three different systems so far. SSL mentioned at one point that they did some further optimizing for Native and that higher efficiency is a byproduct of that leaner code.
Sounds very promising - I fixed the issue, so looking forward to trying this out for myself.
For the sake anybody with the same problem as me, The answer was that strangely, copies of all the (old) DSP components existed on my own user drive i.e in: users/marcus/library/components. Once I identified and deleted these, then the Native versions on the system drive took effect.
SSL's support gave excellent replies. I was especially impressed as it was a public holiday over there yesterday and they were working. Thanks!
Been demoing a lot of compressors lately. Never got the SSL sound or what I would need but trying the Duende Bus Comp has changed my mind. I have never more seriously thought of getting a hardware counterpart to a plug-in. (one day of course)
It is not essential and I know this particular comp has always been code, but that "sound" is so nice.
Which modern analog compressor of SSL is closest to Duende in overall sound and character and as a bonus does anyone feel Duende to be a good as a hardware SSL comp?
I know it's all subjective and perhaps there can not possibly be a match, but some of us do get a sense of some software comps feeling more "real" than others.
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Which modern analog compressor of SSL is closest to Duende in overall sound and character and as a bonus does anyone feel Duende to be a good as a hardware SSL comp?
I'd go with TKAudio BC1, MKI or MKII, either or, subtle difference.
I think it's much better than Duende but still clean. And not to expensive.
Or the other end of the spectrum is Smart C2, which I think sounds
better than Duende as well, but much more aggressive than a TKBC1.
TKBC1 I'd use as mixcomp, Smart as drumbus, but not both in the same
mix.
I did a comparison when I had the Duende DSP accelerator, so I haven't
tried their V3 Native versions. Not sure if the sound has changed.
I found I couldn't push it past 2dB of compression without creating a
sound I didn't enjoy, where as the Smart C2 and TKBC1, I could easily
get it 4dB-8dB and really get some shaping and groove going in parallel.
Aiyn , the duende is by far , for me the most ssl sounding plugin....as you know i use quite a lot the aws9000 and i have the excact same kind of feeling .....does it sound the same , i can 't say cause the studio versus my studio where i use the duende are to different (acoustic , Adam versus Genelec ect ...) BUT the feeling is exctly the same !! (in fact i don't give a shhh if it's exactly the same , it's the best around ..)
I tried quit all exept the uad and all i can sayis that the duende sits on every masters (at least 95 %) and on more than 50% of my buses !!
When the Glue went out , GS was crazy buzzing and when i tried , no way it can touch the duende , the glue is good (not emulating by the way the same thing but it can try to match duende when you use the Filter + Mix knob !! (i said try)
The Duende does what every real bus comp should do : Compress preserving the dynamic aka apparent sounds placement in space !!
Because what people forget is that compressing a mix can alter the 3 axes even if you deal only with the Z axis (dynamic/volume of sound ) because when you move sounds in this space you actually modify the relative placement of sound each according to each ... so even pan sensation can be altered as well as freq feels .....
And this is in this area that the Duende shines , it respect so your mix that the everage guyz waiting for that woah effect skip ....it can be rougth also but it can be super effcient ...it's one of the only comp that can handle evey type of music !!!
Gimme the duende bundle (actually i experienced it back when i was core 2 duo lappy ) and the job get done !!
I've heard multiple shootouts (there's one on this forum even, check it out) with the hardware version and dry of course to really hear the similarities. And any differences thereof are differences that enhance the signal still, so you can't lose with the Duende comp.
As much as I love Duende Channel Strip, I've never liked the Buss Compressor that much.
The CS is my go-to though, the way the EQ + gate/expander sections work together is what I love so much. I've tried to replace it often but never found any CS or EQ/gate/expander combo which works that well.
I just trial the glue recently, it's not at all what I thought, a more fully featured Duende, it is nothing like the Duende. They are both very nice, The glue is very clean especially at 4x oversampling and you can get a huge sounding mix through it, but I love the character of the Duende, it just sounds like the music is playing off the radio it's such a classic sound.
I think I'll be adding this to my tools soon. It's one of the only thing's I've tried that I can honestly say buy this and it will sound more like a record
you start to have a lot of stuff on your wish list
I know, and it's all expensive too.
But I've tried with free-ware and cheaper plug-ins. Most of the time they are just missing something, and it's not saturation or distortion, they are missing something musical to me. Very good maybe, but they often don't have a "sound"
Aiyin by the way congrats , i saw you worked on the new Saurus expansion pack
Thanks, it was good fun, Saurus produces some really nice sounds, but I was surprised how different it could sound from others, since it seems like a standard analog emulation, but it really does have a lot of character, the pads I made on that are I think the favourate padsounds I've made, check out 2099 and the futura in the PADS.
Another by the way on this thread, I've now demoed the Glue and Fxpansions Bus comp offering. I just could not produce that really clear but slightly soft "click" with the Glue. It's there, but it's just not like it is in Duende. Fxpansion got closer, I like it a lot and if I could not have Duende I'd have Fxpansions. I still think the Glue is very clean and very useful but it didn't give me a sound I was looking for.
The Duende Bus comp is still top of my list though, despite some extra very useful features from Fxpansion. How do I judge it? Well, with Duende Bus comp I put it on something, a drum bus, a synth track, a whole mix, and I have a general idea of what I want it to do, I play with the settings for a minute or so max and It either does it just right or it's not going to work at all. That's it, most of the time it works, because I know what it is going to do beforehand.
With the other compressors I spend a long time playing with the HPF, the mix, the ratio the attack and release, I never feel that it's done and that is how I judge my tools now. If I am tweaking it endlessly and it's still not special then there is something wrong.
One more thing, with Duende bus comp I can put it on something and it makes the whole groove much more interesting, I can listen to the same loop for much longer just repeating because Duende adds so much movement. That's why I value it so much.
Here is one example. In my initial work on Lush-101 I made a sort of ambient style demo, 101 Am. I made these keys or Rhodes sort of sounds and I thought, ah, these sound great, but what I really want is for the whole song to "ripple" when these keys come in, like a pond does when you throw a stone in, to accentuate the dreamy feel.
I knew Duende Bus comp would do it because it has just the right curves and I couldn't think of anything else, so I put the Duende bus comp on the whole mix and set the threshold so that the compressor was reacting to the keys sound. You hear it at about 32 seconds in.
It worked a treat, and it's that predictability that I think is so useful.
Good lord, I hate the friggin' licensing SSL uses for Duende. Trying to get "virtual dongle" license to transfer to their proprietary USB stick is a far more convoluted process than it should be. No other plug company I use is so damn confusing if a problem arises.
Been trying since yesterday and am going back and forth with SSL tech support. Hopefully have this solved by the end of the day.
yep i tried them .....the other release (1176, La2A, DBX , and the new bundle) are very good but not the ssl !!
Oh ok so, these Plugins are now 50 % off. Special offer, all three of them for 100,-€ and a single on for 50,-€.
I wanted to buy a single one. Any suggestions?? I thought about getting the 1176. I got the WAVES La2A already but now 50,-€ is all I want to spend.
not the subject here ...but the 1176 is more all aorund comp ..the dbx is more speciallised in certain type of things ...(to be quik) ....i prefer having the control around the realease and attack in person ....i would go for 1176 .....if you own the waves you should upgrade to the whole bundles maybe when it's on sale also ..
not the subject here ...but the 1176 is more all aorund comp ..the dbx is more speciallised in certain type of things ...(to be quik) ....i prefer having the control around the realease and attack in person ....i would go for 1176 .....if you own the waves you should upgrade to the whole bundles maybe when it's on sale also ..
Thanks ... I go for the 1176 for now. I'm looking for easy to use Plugins right now. While producing I need som' quick adjustment-options.
I will not say it's an easy comp ...but a very swiss knife ....you will have to really go deap in to really apreciate what it can do and when so you will understand why it's a classic ....
For me the easiest comp is UBK 1 and SSL duende CS comp hard to make a bad compression with it ..
The CLA 1176 also is great cause you have the black and bluey (witch is more nervous and extremily good) so you have 2 1176 in one ...under than that going for the NI is also an excellent choice
For me the easiest comp is UBK 1 and SSL duende CS comp hard to make a bad compression with it ..
The CLA 1176 also is great cause you have the black and bluey (witch is more nervous and extremily good) so you have 2 1176 in one ...under than that going for the NI is also an excellent choice
Hey that UBK-1 looks really good. Never heard of that. If got a little Issue with those iLok things. Is a software-registration enough or do you need to have that iLok USB-Stick in order to make it work.
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but it can try to match duende when you use the Filter + Mix knob !! (i said try)
