logic pro 7.1.1 on Protools HD ( 2 to be precise ) hardware ?

[radio_8]

Hi everyone,

i guess this has been discussed previously but i couldn't find anything about it.
the question is simple: does it work? any experience with it?

detailed answers are much appreciated, so thanks in advance,

//radio_8

[Reptil]

if the hardware is supported by the Mac OS audio/midi engine: yes
otherwise: no

[markus enochson]

works for me

hd2 accel and logic.

m

[headz]

Originally Posted by markus enochson

works for me

hd2 accel and logic.

m

yes works fine as long as you strictly meet the digidesign software specification (which PT on which OSX 10.4.x) logic uses its own ESB as a one way route for connecting the native side.

good on logic: most midi, native stuff (apples own & third party), long working experience by win & mac guys
bad: audio editing far behind ProTools, archaic & ancient state in allover featureset

currently protools7 drivers are not working with logic 7.1.1 as digi changed a lot under the hood (to get much better in their own rtas 'native' territory) , also for some peepz ProTools starts to rival logic 7.x in significant therms (midi, native plugins & instruments). no own gained experience here but look carefully out for info on DigitalPerformer with PT hardware....might fit you bit better - just an idea...

wait til the logic 7.2 is available (days, weeks?!) and then consider its worth it or you better learn the new goodies in ProTools 7...if the accel hardware wouldn't be so over expensive I'd make the jump in minutes ditching logic for PT7.1

logic has too many flaws in therms of internal & external synchronisation (midi clock, iac, PDC cause headache) and is in an archaic state in many audio therms (editing, mixing engine, environment).
- but time is money so many use logic further as they used to live with its quirks in past an will in future (that hopefully gets much better) and the alternatives are not clearly established right now.

[radio_8]

Originally Posted by headz

yes works fine as long as you strictly meet the digidesign software specification (which PT on which OSX 10.4.x) logic uses its own ESB as a one way route for connecting the native side.

good on logic: most midi, native stuff (apples own & third party), long working experience by win & mac guys
bad: audio editing far behind ProTools, archaic & ancient state in allover featureset

currently protools7 drivers are not working with logic 7.1.1 as digi changed a lot under the hood (to get much better in their own rtas 'native' territory) , also for some peepz ProTools starts to rival logic 7.x in significant therms (midi, native plugins & instruments). no own gained experience here but look carefully out for info on DigitalPerformer with PT hardware....might fit you bit better - just an idea...

wait til the logic 7.2 is available (days, weeks?!) and then consider its worth it or you better learn the new goodies in ProTools 7...if the accel hardware wouldn't be so over expensive I'd make the jump in minutes ditching logic for PT7.1

logic has too many flaws in therms of internal & external synchronisation (midi clock, iac, PDC cause headache) and is in an archaic state in many audio therms (editing, mixing engine, environment).
- but time is money so many use logic further as they used to live with its quirks in past an will in future (that hopefully gets much better) and the alternatives are not clearly established right now.

thanks for the fast reply guys.

well, for me logic is still the weapon of choice when it comes to midi/composition, and the fast workflow along with the customizability is in my opinion superior to eg. cubase, with it's cluttered interface and circuitous concepts. but i totally agree that the audio engine simply sucks, alongside many other issues caused by apples effort to address the needs of home users. finally, i don't think lp and pt are competing products regarding the fact the one is native and the other one integrated...
anyway, if this really works, i'm really looking forward to get an hd rig and having pt for mixing.

any other opinions?

cheers, //radio_8

[gfx]

Biggest pain using DAE/HDTM in Logic...

NO DAM PDC on TDM objects

*ARG*

im torn at the moment between using Logic and PT

I use PT for audio based work ie recording bands type of thing.

And Logic for my own compostional work (much more midi) but im finding it difficult to deal with the PDC plugin issues.

Currently im transfering tracks to PT from Logic for mixing.

I would much rather have one or the other but both lack in certain areas as pointed out.

The other choice? SX? Nuendo? *shudder* no thanks....

Id lose my PT rig completely then.... Native processing only... Ok sure uad/powercore but ive already invested a lot , I have a single UAD card I run along side.

and DP just makes my head hurt everytime I even look at it. Im sure its wonderful but its just doesnt do it for me.

</rant>

GFX

FXpansion Audio UK Ltd

[Chrisac]

I would definitely not recommend anyone using Logic as a front end for PTs. I learned this the hard way and you simply have to be an absaloute die hard Logic fan to operate like this.

All you get here are problems, and a flaky but expensive system. But most of all a complete dilution of the PTs experience. I think its incredibly stupid now to strap Logic on to an HD system in the quest for more power. Logic operates far smoother in native mode and with one of those quad G5s the user would easily compete with an HD2 system. I sometimes use Logic 7 for some sessions and I get a tremendous amount of CPU mileage from a Dual 2ghz G5. One thing I will say about Logic is its highly optimised to run on Macs.

PTs hardware really needs its software. Its a great program which just got better imo. These two have been in a marriage of sorts for years but i reckon the final seperation is imminent.......Then again with the new intel macs things could change?

[darkwater]

What we do over here is run all of the virtual instruments as CoreAudio with an 896HD and all of the audio tracks as DAE. This makes the system much more stable, less crashes. We come out of the lightpipe on the MOTU to the DIGI hardware. Sounds silly to have to buy another $800 box when you've already spent $10,000 on hardware, but it does make a difference. As stated above, Logic works better native.

If I had my ideal setup, I'd have 2 computers, each running it's own platform and have one chase the other. I've seen this in action before and it's a sight to behold.

I'm currently using Logic native in my own setup, but I miss PT........DAMN!

[Tibbon]

I've found for one thing that Logic allows my computer (dual 1.25 g4 mdd) to handle a far higher number of tracks (dual processor use?) than PT, as well as more plugs. I only ran PT 6.7, so maybe its unfair, but PT would start crapping out REALLY soon and it would stop all of the time while playing, recording, bouncing, etc, giving hard drive errors. Also protools doesn't like to record/play from a RAID array.

[radio_8]

interestings thoughts, guys. actually, here's what my future setup is intended to look like:

g2 2ghz with digidesign magma chassis containing 3 tc powercore pci mk2 ( rtas wrapped for pt ) and the hd2 hardware

plannning to connect my 1 DA 16X and 2 AD 16X via X- HD card, to free up the apogee aes i/o for my digital outboard

also, i'll need a sync that retrains my digibeta deck, preferrably with machine control...any suggestions concerning that?

i just came across this: http://www.apple.com/logicpro/crossgrade.html

stating logic 7.2 and pt 7.1 will work together...hopefully not just a dream...

[killahertz]

weak man they didn't address PDC or hardware insert DC in 7.2 at all. LAME.

[radio_8]

Originally Posted by killahertz

weak man they didn't address PDC or hardware insert DC in 7.2 at all. LAME.

yes, a shame. guess they're only taking care of the portation issues atm...