can I sell my Waves bundle?

[turk sanchez]

if I sell it can the buyer just get on the WUP plan and load the plugs no problem? I got the Ren Maxx bundle a little over a year ago...It was challenge/response...not Ilok when I loaded them...computer was repaired and now I can't reload them without shelling out more money...I wan't to sell them and bail on Waves. Can I sell them?

[T_R_S]

You'll need WUP to do transfer of ownership. Unless you have WUP you do not exist.

[turk sanchez]

so I have to give them more money so I can sell it? They can't just let the new owner pay the WUP and sign up?

[T_R_S]

You probably could strike a deal with the new owner. But no transfer will take place until the WUP is updated.

[Diablo]

I bought Waves from a guy here on Gearslutz. He had to WUP before Waves would let him transfer the ownership. Then I paid Waves $150 to transfer.

The deal went down like this: I went to his place, paid him the money for Waves, he WUP'ed online, then he faxed the Waves transfer agreement to Waves (that he got from Waves) and I took home the iLok. Then the next day, I called Waves and paid the transfer fee.

[SonyOxfordMan]

pretty cool that you could sell it. i got an extra sony oxford bundle i'm selling. i got the eq with gml, dynamics, and inflator for mac osx. $200 a plug in. anyone interested? sonyoxfordman@yahoo.com

[turk sanchez]

so I guess I would need to pay the WUP...then get a transfer agreement ahead of time...put 'em on fleabay...see what happens? I get the pleasure of dealing with Waves!...any idea on what these may sell for? Because if I have to spend $79 for the WUP to make about $150-ish off the plugs it might not even be worth the hassle.

[Bishbashbosh]

Is it not possible to WUP, then transfer authorizations to iLok, and then just give the seller the iLok, and the access information for your account (so he can alter the registered email address and login details)?

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by Bishbashbosh

Is it not possible to WUP, then transfer authorizations to iLok, and then just give the seller the iLok, and the access information for your account (so he can alter the registered email address and login details)?

Waves will not transfer an auth. forom one ilok to another.

[Bishbashbosh]

Originally Posted by T_R_S

Waves will not transfer an auth. forom one ilok to another.

They will.... it just costs $150.
My point was, is it not possible to give the buyer the your Waves iLok as part of the sale, to avoid the transfer fee?
Waves stuff pretty much needs to be on it's own iLok, so why not give the buyer total access to your Waves account, and your authorisations, and be shot of them!?

[Dutchmuzik]

Originally Posted by Bishbashbosh

They will.... it just costs $150.
My point was, is it not possible to give the buyer the your Waves iLok as part of the sale, to avoid the transfer fee?
Waves stuff pretty much needs to be on it's own iLok, so why not give the buyer total access to your Waves account, and your authorisations, and be shot of them!?

NO, Waves will transfer ownership, NOT the iLok, that license is stuck on that original iLok FOREVER. Not moveable, you have to hand over the iLok to the buyer. I recently ran into this when someone had the URS Massive Pack on the same iLok as Waves. BOTH are not moveable from that iLok.

[turk sanchez]

Hey guys...it's version 4...I never put it on an Ilok...and I have the original registration form that I never filled out...I did load the plugs...but I used the challenge/response...it was a little over a year ago...b4 they went to Ilok.

Does this make it any different? Maybe they could fill out the registration...mail it in and pay the WUP so they can get on Ilok?

Thanks for the help...It would be great to get out of these and not have thrown away hundreds of dollars.

Waffle

[StrykeBack]

This might be a little off topic but i bought the waves ssl a little over a year ago (i know this since i just got an email lettin me know my wups almost up, (and here i was about to buy some api or v series) but i don't think they went on my ilok)

I ask because most of my other plugs are on the ilok and i was taught from some instructors at a recordings school about keepin all your plugs in a folder on a separate drive and the ilok so you can take them from one studio to mix or any other but a waves rep said i can't do that with theirs. They are challenge and response to that computer only. Is that true?!

Im guessin your selling something expensive like the diamond bundle since its sounded like a 3 to 400 dollar hassle just to get waves to transfer these including wup?

[shanabit]

Have to pay WAVES to sell your plugs, NICE. Sounds like the mob, hey you gotta give us some dough here and will let you sell the business but we get a cut. LOL. I still like my Gold bundle, I aint WUPPING it no more though

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Dutchmuzik

NO, Waves will transfer ownership, NOT the iLok, that license is stuck on that original iLok FOREVER. Not moveable, you have to hand over the iLok to the buyer. I recently ran into this when someone had the URS Massive Pack on the same iLok as Waves. BOTH are not moveable from that iLok.

Fuhgeddaboudit. Fuh-effin-geddaboudit.

[Melgueil]

Appears (3 years later) this has not changed. So I payed $600 for the SSL bundle. I could sell it for $400 or thereabouts. So I get "WUP's" for $200, pay $150 to Waves to transfer the license, then $25 to iLok. Net = $25

You've been WUP'd !

This the first and last Waves Product I will ever buy. I've owned it for 3 years. Uh actually I have "rented" it for three years roughly $200 / year. Time to write it off.

Once SSL releases Duende Native, I'll buy that and consider my "date" with Waves to have been a bad dance, followed by buns down in the back seat thier car. Ended, over. Like writing off a bad debt. I have grown accustomed to throwing away old hardware. This will be a first for software. Goodbye Waves ....dfegad
cdlt

[Joji]

I spoke to a lwayer he said that waves resale tactics are illegal. I bought the vocal rider plugin which i am not impressed with. I went to sell it. I paid $180 for the plugih. Waves is telling me it is $150 to transfer it and $25 ilok transfer fee. Basicall y i have to pay the same i paid for it to sell it. The lawyer said this is illegal. We have to fight together as a team. We could win a lot of money from waves if everyone goes in togehter. If you bought a av reciver from bestbuy and best but charged you the thr sam amount to resell it. There wouod be multi million dollar law suits and they wouod go out of business. The same is goiing to happen to eaves.

Dont let them get away with this. We need to all get together to have a stronger stace

[Bill@WelcomeHome]

Originally Posted by Joji

I spoke to a lwayer he said that waves resale tactics are illegal. I bought the vocal rider plugin which i am not impressed with. I went to sell it. I paid $180 for the plugih. Waves is telling me it is $150 to transfer it and $25 ilok transfer fee. Basicall y i have to pay the same i paid for it to sell it. The lawyer said this is illegal. We have to fight together as a team. We could win a lot of money from waves if everyone goes in togehter. If you bought a av reciver from bestbuy and best but charged you the thr sam amount to resell it. There wouod be multi million dollar law suits and they wouod go out of business. The same is goiing to happen to eaves.

Dont let them get away with this. We need to all get together to have a stronger stace

I don't understand how this could be a matter of law. What law do they break? In what jurisdiction?

[Dean Roddey]

The thing above about having to give the other person the iLok is wrong. It might have been true at one time, but not any longer. If your coverage is up to date, you pay the $150 fee and send them the transfer request. The $150 only applies to the actual transaction, not the license. So you can transfer multiple licenses on a single $150 fee. So it's best, if you are selling smaller bundles or individual plugs, to try to coordinate them. That way you only pay the fee once.

They really should make the fee a capped percentage of the price of the thing being transferred. I understand the $150, since it's typically going to be a $1000 or up bundle being transferred. But it makes individual plugs effectively impossible to sell in practical terms.

As to being illegal, it clearly isn't. They aren't obligated to allow transfer/resell at all if they don't want to, and they can set whatever conditions they want if they do allow it.

[tampa]

Wouldn't it just be easier to hand over the ILOK with the software and be done withy it. You can buy an ILOK for about $40 that's a lot cheaper than $150 to transfer the license.

[Mike Connelly]

Originally Posted by tampa

Wouldn't it just be easier to hand over the ILOK with the software and be done withy it. You can buy an ILOK for about $40 that's a lot cheaper than $150 to transfer the license.

It would except that iLok is still on your account. If you have any other licenses, they can't add anything else to that iLok or do any upgrades unless you give them your iLok account info. And I doubt most people would want to do that.

If it's something where upgrades don't mean new iLok authorizations it might be fine, but I doubt that's the case with Waves.

[lloydlee]

Ok, so I own Waves API Collection v5 and WUP has expired. My Ilok has Pro-Tools and Waves API licenses on it. Could I buy another Ilok, set it up under a new user name, transfer my Pro-Tools license to the new Ilok (pay $25 to Ilok), sell the old Ilok with Waves API Collection on E-bay, and give the buyer log-in details to my old Ilok and Waves account? Then they could change the profile, password, update WUP (if they're crazy enough to dish out $200), and all I've lost is the $25 to Ilok to transfer my Pro-Tools license?

Now that I think about it, though, this would screw up all my registration information with Avid/Digidesign! CRAPP!!!!

By the way, you can try all the ranting & raving e-mails you want with Waves sales and they don't give a crap. I'll NEVER buy another Waves product. Waves and their rip-off WUP plan is like Hotel California. You can check out but you can NEVER leave.

[nst7]

To the Vocal Rider guy, and to anyone else trying to sell smaller bundles or single plugins, the $150 fee does not apply to anything that's MSRP of under $700. I talked to the Waves sales guy on the phone about this, you can call them.

So Vocal Rider, some other individual plugins and some smaller bundles would apply.

Note that this applies to the MSRP that's listed on the Waves site, not what you paid at your dealer, and the MSRP is the normal price, not when it's on one of their specials.

Which means that something like the CLA Classic compressors would not qualify, because even though the normal dealer selling price is under $700, the Waves list price is not.

So if your product qualifies, it would just be the $25 cost of the Ilok transfer (which is an Ilok thing, nothing to do with Waves). You would still probably need to go through the normal Waves procedure, though.

[pulverizer]

Originally Posted by nst7

To the Vocal Rider guy, and to anyone else trying to sell smaller bundles or single plugins, the $150 fee does not apply to anything that's MSRP of under $700. I talked to the Waves sales guy on the phone about this, you can call them.

So Vocal Rider, some other individual plugins and some smaller bundles would apply.

Note that this applies to the MSRP that's listed on the Waves site, not what you paid at your dealer, and the MSRP is the normal price, not when it's on one of their specials.

Which means that something like the CLA Classic compressors would not qualify, because even though the normal dealer selling price is under $700, the Waves list price is not.

So if your product qualifies, it would just be the $25 cost of the Ilok transfer (which is an Ilok thing, nothing to do with Waves). You would still probably need to go through the normal Waves procedure, though.

I dont see a MSRP for api collection on waves site. Adding to cart showed $650 but could not see MSRP.

[nst7]

The prices on the Waves site are the MSRP. You never want to buy from them, as they're cheaper through dealers. But adding it to the cart will give you the MSRP, which is what you want to find out for this discussion.

Keep in mind, this whole thing changes now, because it appears that as of today, Waves has permanently lowered their prices to be the equivalent of what the 40% off special was (I've started a thread in the main forum). So now, in fact, my example of the CLA bundle-in this case now it would qualify.

However, now that the prices are lowered, you should double check that they haven't now lowered the threshold for the "no $150 fee", before you go to sell something.