TDM or Native

Emersob · 31st December 2005, 10:23 AM

Long time lurker / First time poster

I am about to purchase the Waves Diamond Bundle and wonder whether I should get TDM or Native. It seems to me that you can get the native version and one of their accelerators for less than the TDM package. I am new to Pro Tools HD. Am I missing something or with faster computers and outboard processing does the TDM package not seem like a good deal?

Thanks!

AdamJay · 31st December 2005, 11:38 AM

PT HD = No latency.

Emersob · 31st December 2005, 11:41 AM

Can you explain????

rara114 · 31st December 2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamJay

PT HD = No latency.

I wouldn't say "no" latency, but it is very little and with delay compensation during plyback its in the milliseconds/samples

Emersob · 31st December 2005, 12:23 PM

In PT 7 wouldn't RTAS plugins be handled by ADC as well?

Thanks!

idee und klang · 31st December 2005, 12:32 PM

And to explain the problem with acelerators in general:

If you are in one integretet system such as TDM, Audio can be routed very fast between the processors of the System (as with all Digital Mixers). As soon as you have togo from the TDM System to another System to proces plugins on a foreign systems's CPU (Thats not much different if you go to the Host CPU' or to a CPU on a acceleration Card such as the wave) The Audio has to go out of the TDM System to another system, and then it needs to be streemed back in the TDM System. Those "buses" are the real problem, if the buffer size is small (128 samples) the latency is acceptable (but not great), but then there is not much that can be processed. Normally those buses are set to 512 samples, often 1024 (inorder that one can get more plugins out). That is over 20 ms that you have to wait untill the signal is back. That is unaceptable in a professional mixing situation. I don't know the Wave Situation exactly, maybe they have kind of a sulution, so that their latency is handled with the ProTools Delay Compensation, but in General, this is the reason why a integreated digital system is superior to a system (i.e a native system) with acelerators to a integreatet System such as ProTools TDM or other Digital Mixers.
I would rather buy one more Accel Cared than ever a foreign acelerater.

Daniel
www.ideeundklang.com

Emersob · 31st December 2005, 03:12 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate your help!

T_R_S · 31st December 2005, 06:19 PM

RTAS go into bypass when recording. May or may not be bad depending on how you work.

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31st December 2005, 10:23 AM	#1
Emersob Gear interested Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SF, CA, USA Posts: 5	TDM or Native Long time lurker / First time poster I am about to purchase the Waves Diamond Bundle and wonder whether I should get TDM or Native. It seems to me that you can get the native version and one of their accelerators for less than the TDM package. I am new to Pro Tools HD. Am I missing something or with faster computers and outboard processing does the TDM package not seem like a good deal? Thanks!

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T_R_S Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canuk Posts: 3,415	RTAS go into bypass when recording. May or may not be bad depending on how you work. __________________ === NEW Into Eternity Video Pre-Release

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31st December 2005, 11:38 AM	#2
AdamJay Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,421	PT HD = No latency.

31st December 2005, 11:41 AM	#3
Emersob Gear interested Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SF, CA, USA Posts: 5	Can you explain????

31st December 2005, 12:23 PM	#5
Emersob Gear interested Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SF, CA, USA Posts: 5	In PT 7 wouldn't RTAS plugins be handled by ADC as well? Thanks!

31st December 2005, 12:32 PM	#6
idee und klang Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 117	And to explain the problem with acelerators in general: If you are in one integretet system such as TDM, Audio can be routed very fast between the processors of the System (as with all Digital Mixers). As soon as you have togo from the TDM System to another System to proces plugins on a foreign systems's CPU (Thats not much different if you go to the Host CPU' or to a CPU on a acceleration Card such as the wave) The Audio has to go out of the TDM System to another system, and then it needs to be streemed back in the TDM System. Those "buses" are the real problem, if the buffer size is small (128 samples) the latency is acceptable (but not great), but then there is not much that can be processed. Normally those buses are set to 512 samples, often 1024 (inorder that one can get more plugins out). That is over 20 ms that you have to wait untill the signal is back. That is unaceptable in a professional mixing situation. I don't know the Wave Situation exactly, maybe they have kind of a sulution, so that their latency is handled with the ProTools Delay Compensation, but in General, this is the reason why a integreated digital system is superior to a system (i.e a native system) with acelerators to a integreatet System such as ProTools TDM or other Digital Mixers. I would rather buy one more Accel Cared than ever a foreign acelerater. Daniel www.ideeundklang.com

31st December 2005, 03:12 PM	#7
Emersob Gear interested Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SF, CA, USA Posts: 5	Thanks guys, I appreciate your help!