Melodyne 3

[Trebor Flow]

I just upgraded Melodyne Uno to Melodyne 3 and WOW I'm totally blown away.
They have incorporated the auto detect algo's from Uno into the studio version, but you can now fix the timimg of polyphonic parts as well - it's just an incredible program.

Some people have knocked the sound quality but I have done some tests and a file that has been read by Melodyne and then saved with no processing completly passes a NULL test with the original file.

Plus you can pull out just the syllables you want to tune and then set the rest of the track to PLAIN which then stops any processing happening to the original track.

It really makes AT look cumbersome - but then again AT is getting long in the tooth.

Has any one else got Melodnye 3 coz at the moment I feel like I'm sat on the worlds best kept secret. The sound quality is stunnig and I'm a fussy sod on that front and the ease of use is stunning.

I'd love to hear some feedback fron any other Melodyne users

Best

Trebor

[scruffydog]

Hi
Yes I have been into melodyne from the start..when it was really quite crappy!
Version 3!
Wow..
As always it is quite a lengthy process so autotune will always be usefull for simple things as it is fastest.
But I had the beta versions of Version 3 and this program has ramped up yet again.
Speeding up the tool selections in this automatic way is just mind blowing.
I guess they have made the grade!!
Scruffy

[logichead]

I've avoided Melodyne for various reasons, although I have been interested. I recently bought Waves Tune, which seemed to be a kind of combination of AT and Melodyne. Have any of you compared Tune and Melodyne 3 directly?

FWIW, I find Tune to be generally easier to use than AT (graphic mode), more transparent, better tuning, although I have had trouble re-opening a Logic session with Tune. The tuned track sometimes warbles (as if a tracking error is happening - this could be a Tune issue or a Logic issue), so since then I have been printing the tuned track.

Best...H

[Trebor Flow]

The thing that grabs me about Melodyne 3 is that it wears so many hats with ease.

If you want transparent pitch correction at the click of a mouse - you got it

If you want audiophile pitch correction then you can pull the offending syllable onto a new track correct it and set the original track containing the lead vocal to PLAIN meaning it recieves no processing then export the two files with one click and voila you have a perfect original track minus the offending out of tune words and a corrected track with just the corrected syllables I then import into Logic/PT and I'm ready to mix. Stunning.

If you want to correct a strummed guitar part that is slightly out of time then Melodyne 3 can tighten that up or make it swing or make it track to a template track! and were talking audio here not a MIDI file.

If you want to use the program as a writing envirioment (as I have started doing) then you can hear a whole arrangment in a different key and different tempo with a few mouse clicks just like a MIDI arrangment but it could be 24/192 audio!!

If you want to be happy - it makes you happy - well me anyway

I can already see how the program is strong as not only an editor but also as a great compositional tool - which is clever stuff for one program. OK it's not a great mixing enviroment but that's not it's elan.

I haven't been this excited about software since I got Logic 4.0 many years ago.

I haven't tried Waves Tune but to me for the money it's a one trick pony where Melodyne 3 is almost a Master of all (almost!)

I have spent the last two years recording a new album and now at the mix stage there where many niggles that I was having to except like out of time guitar and out of time percussion and slightly out of tune backing stacks. Now I have been able to fix all my gripes and the mixes are sounding wonderful.

As far as I can see Celemony have answered ALL their critics, the boys have it as far as I'm concerned.

Trebor

[scruffydog]

Hi
I agree..it can be as in depth as required.
It works.
The look of it can be a little foreign to begin with..but after a few tracks it becomes really friendly.
I am glad I have this tool!
It is nice to know everything and anything can be worked on in a really well thought out and musical program!

[cdog]

Agreed Melodyne is amazing.

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally Posted by Trebor Flow

As far as I can see Celemony have answered ALL their critics, the boys have it as far as I'm concerned.

that remains to be seen.

If they want to send me an NFR they are free to do so and I will evaluate it with care.
Until then :
In order to do everything you say it does they would have had to travel light-years since version 2.6 imvho.


You mention you're a fussy sod when it comes down to audio quality :

2 questions :

1 : does version 3 finally allow you to import a file and export it with exactly the same file length / size ?

AFAIK this was still not possible with 2.6. Melodyne decided for itself where the file started. It was impossible to have 'silence' at the beginning of a file. Melodyne would chop the silence off on import.


2 : How about importing a file and doing NO processing with it ... just exporting it after it has been imported ..... do the original and the exported ones cancel out ?

Except for the fact that the exported files from 2.6 didn't allow you to put them against each other sample accurately (no Bwav timestamp / different size and length etc ...) it wasn't really necessary to phase flip one of them ..... one had to be near deaf not to hear the obvious difference

If they managed to provide a solution for those 2 things then we can go on and discuss the rest.

[Trebor Flow]

Melodyne 3 and Melodyne Uno are totally sample accurate if I import a file and then do NO processing then export it back into Logic the file completely pass a phase NULL test with the original. Perfect.

Melodyne 3 and Uno do not chop any audio of the beginning. The file length remains exactly the same.

The audio quality of these new versions is stunning - the old talk of Melodyne turns the tracks into MP3 bit rate sound is gone gone gone. The program is elegant and sounds stunning. I have an audiophile ear and it does not touch the audio where it does not process. Full stop. And where is does proccess it is a good if not better than the best, unless you are trying to shift by crazt amounts in which case ALL correction systems sound terrible!

If you are worried about any quality issues then Melodyne 3 has various ways of keeping tracks totally free of any processing and can be set to PLAIN after offending words/phrases have been removed to a new track - this is a simple process if you know the Melodyne GUI. Again answering any critics and allowing for audiophile methos of using the program and I use the system this way.

As I say the boys have it - I have no fear using this program to tune vocals and correct the timming of polyphonic parts (which is amazing in it's own right) on audio made with best mics and very high quality signal chains.

I was actually going to say - yeah it's terribble "stay away from it everyone" because I wish I was the only person who had this program - I'd be like a Roman soldier with a machine gun

Melodyne 3. Stunning.

Trebor

[copperx]

Originally Posted by Trebor Flow

Melodyne 3. Stunning.

Only 3 posts so far, and all about Melodyne? hmm...

[Bluna]

The only thing i would complain about melodyne uno is its "only 24 Bit" ... why isnt it 32 Bit ??

[Trebor Flow]

Copperx - that's a bit rude to a new member. Everybody has to have a first post -what subject would you have prefered I'd sarted with? :EQ, compression, reverb?
Those subjects are boring to me - I mastered them years ago - things that interest me now are new technology.

If you're implying I work for Celemony then mate you are way way wrong. I don't even know who they are, anymore than I know who Logic or pro Tools are in terms of people.

I bought Melodyne Uno after a recommendation from a pal at Digital Village UK music shop - then bought Melodyne 3 from the Celemony web shop for 399 Euros as an upgrade.

I just love the program - it's a very exciting program and I have noticed some people knocking it saying it sounds bad. This is totally wrong - so I thought I would right a wrong. I have never heard Melodyne 2.6 I came in at Melodyne Uno (obviously where the technology has matured) maybe version 2.6 had quality issues - I will never know, but version 3 does not - it sounds stunning and passes NULL testing with ease.

So think what you like, but hand on heart - I am in no way afiliated with Celomony - I'm just a fan.

Best

Trebor

[Trebor Flow]

Hi Chris

I have taken some time to test Uno and Melodyne 3 to properly answer your questions as you naturally would like scientific answers as opposed to hear say.

I have imorted a comped vocal into Uno and exported with NO processing and then phase tested against the original file in Logic and PT and the exported file completly NULLED.

As soon as you make a single edit in Uno then the whole file fails the NULL test as it seems the whole file has been processed and the file loses sample accuracy. There is NO change in audio quality but the file will not null.

In Melodyne 3 if I import the same comped vocal and set the file to PLAIN (which suspends processing although you can still see the Melodyne GUI for editing) then the file passes NULL testing after export with no change in length or position.

So my working method in Melodyne 3 to achieve audiophile quality is to import my vocal for editing plus a reference backing track and any harmonies, I then drag any offending syllables to a new track (which is added automatically) the main vocal track is then set to PLAIN and I make my edits to the out of tune syllables (which, as may know, is very fast and simple with the Melodyne GUI)

Now I export the tracks - I end up with an original track minus the offending words which is phase accurate and perfectly passes a NULL test, and a fixed vocal track which is very natural sounding and then I reimport these into Logic/PT. This may seem long winded (and for a quick fix AT is still good) but for critical album tracks the process is lighting fast to edit and the results are beautiful.

I understand from reading old posts that these things were not possible with ealier versions, however this is definately now not the case, and I have been able to create the most incredible sounding vocal tracks very very fast and when time is money .... thumbsup

Hope this helps

Best

Trebor

[copperx]

Trebor,

I'm sorry about that post, I thought you had an agenda or something.

Well, I downloaded Melodyne 3 demo and I just crapped on myself. AutoTune? man, I was on the stone age! I just have to save more money! I NEED IT!

[copperx]

Oh, one question Trebor ... if you don't do all that mess with 2-tracks, that is, if you just tune parts of a vocal in one track, does it still pass the null test?

[vansika]

Hi all,
I am using KORG TRITON LE. I am looking for that kind of software or device which can help me to understand the NOTES which are played for a music piece or vocal. Can, melodyne help me for this??
I am learning INDIAN music so, is this helpful for indian music or vocal too or only for western music??
Waiting for your reply.

Bye
Vansika

[brokemusician3]

Originally Posted by vansika

Hi all,
I am using KORG TRITON LE. I am looking for that kind of software or device which can help me to understand the NOTES which are played for a music piece or vocal. Can, melodyne help me for this??
I am learning INDIAN music so, is this helpful for indian music or vocal too or only for western music??
Waiting for your reply.

Bye
Vansika

I don't mean any offense but are you joking?