Is Duende Native Real? SSL speaks...

[PopularDemand]

it's cool that if you bought the hardward/doorstop they'll give you a digital copy "free"

That's good to hear. We have 2 of those "doorstops" around here somewhere if we didn't give them away.

[nicogrubert]

Originally Posted by b-pole

I have the opinion as Duende first came out, the CPUs were no fast enough.
Because of the new 4 or 8 core CPU's this seems only a question of time if they are able to run alone without hardware.

I cancelled my order, dropped back the card for 263$ and ordered another card for $549 included with bus compressor, drum and vocal plug.

I am thinking about this bundle too, but I only need the card plus the X-EQ to have a nice EQ with spectrum analysus on 32 channels. Of course I could use 32 cambridge EQs of my UAD-2 quad or another native EQ (such as fabfilter pro Q, Equality, etc.) but I need the power of both UAD-2 and i7 CPU for other things.
Unfortunately there is no X-EQ duende bundle on the market at the moment so I wait for a good deal on ebay...

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Pyxis360

prob gonna be some peeps saying the hardware version sounded better, "vintage" Duende, yada yada yada

You laugh (as do I) but one or two people have said exactly that.

[Friedemann]

Mine is running smoothly from day one. Does anyone know anything about my initial question? Thanks a lot again!

Best

Friedemann

[elambo]

Originally Posted by Friedemann

Maybe this question was already answered, but I have a fully loaded Duende Mini 128 and I wonder if this card is really able to compute 128 channels or are the extended (above 16) instances already loading my cpu?

It has been discussed ad nauseum with no appreciable answer ever written in stone, which probably explains the non-answer. We know that, if you're running V3, the CPU is handling either all or very nearly all of the processing. Obviously with Native (the topic of this thread) the CPU will cover everything.

[b-pole]

running v3 of Musician's Bundle with Logic 9, OS 10.6.4
stable as hell, no problems so far.

[Friedemann]

Originally Posted by elambo

It has been discussed ad nauseum with no appreciable answer ever written in stone, which probably explains the non-answer. We know that, if you're running V3, the CPU is handling either all or very nearly all of the processing. Obviously with Native (the topic of this thread) the CPU will cover everything.

Thanks a lot! Much appreciated!

Best regards

Friedemann

[Melgueil]

Any news on release date of Deunde native. I wan't to do an upgrade to Snow Leopard, but I will lose functionality of my Waves SSL (or be WUP'd, which I am refusing to allow).

One Duende Native is here, I'll jump on it and say goodbye to Waves forever. Seems like Duende Native has been in the rumor mill for some time now ....
cdlt

[PureArtist]

Originally Posted by Melgueil

Any news on release date of Deunde native. I wan't to do an upgrade to Snow Leopard, but I will lose functionality of my Waves SSL (or be WUP'd, which I am refusing to allow).

One Duende Native is here, I'll jump on it and say goodbye to Waves forever. Seems like Duende Native has been in the rumor mill for some time now ....
cdlt

It's not a rumour, the software exist's & it is only for beta testers at the moment, please be patient. Lol, im not afiliated with SSL in whatsoever way.

[zephonic]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...ml#post6220784

Jim just announced it on sonicstate.com

[elambo]

Estimated 4-6 weeks from now. $1,100 gets you every plugin.

[zephonic]

I wonder if you could start with the Essential bundle and upgrade to Studio later on. Jim?

[b0ssa]

Originally Posted by elambo

Estimated 4-6 weeks from now. $1,100 gets you every plugin.

That's only a great deal for new buyers. I will have basically spent 2.5x that to get [edit] a lesser number of plug-ins in the end. Getting a free upgrade on [these lesser number of] new native plug-ins doesn't alter the fact that I already spent a much larger amount on my existing Duende system.

I don't own the drum strip or vocal strip and yet I'll have paid around 2.5k for my duende system all up..

It would've been a better idea for existing users to make this system work with the card but alas it doesn't. I'm thinking of selling up my Duende stuff at this point.

[elambo]

I don't see how it's anything but good news for current Duende owners. I will keep and use my current Duende Classic while receiving and using all of the plugin counterparts for free. I can now power two separate machines with my initial single Duende investment.

Originally Posted by b0ssa

I'm thinking of selling up my Duende stuff at this point.

You've been saying that for years. Why wait until it makes the most sense to keep it?

[b0ssa]

Originally Posted by elambo

I don't see how it's anything but good news for current Duende owners. I will keep and use my current Duende Classic while receiving and using all of the plugin counterparts for free. I can now power two separate machines with my initial single Duende investment.



You've been saying that for years. Why wait until it makes the most sense to keep it?

Because I want a DSP card solution that works in this case and if I keep the card I'll probably end up regretting it becuase I'll just select native and go with that at installation time.

My machine is not handling 100% native and I rely heavily on my Powercores, UAD2 and Liquid mix right now. I've kept the Duende at arms length for awhile because quite often I boot up and when I open a plug-in it'll say that my license has expired.

Can you confirm that the DSP variants of the new plug's work better than the current and past incarnations or are you only testing the native plug's?

PS> I see what you'e saying re' the second machine so that's probably a good idea. I was thinking that once you selected Native at install time that the card was somehow written to and deactivated for the selected native plug-ins. Obviously I was wrong there.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by b0ssa

Can you confirm that the DSP variants of the new plug's work better than the current and past incarnations or are you only testing the native plug's?

They're still in beta but I'll say that I'm entirely impressed so far. Very stable and efficient.

Originally Posted by b0ssa

PS> I see what you'e saying re' the second machine so that's probably a good idea. I was thinking that once you selected Native at install time that the card was somehow written to and deactivated for the selected native plug-ins. Obviously I was wrong there.

I don't think you're alone - I know that a few people had the same impression about the hardware once plugins are installed. In my opinion, keeping the hardware as a 2nd unit is the diamond in the ruff in this whole switchover.

[b0ssa]

Originally Posted by elambo

They're still in beta but I'll say that I'm entirely impressed so far. Very stable and efficient.



I don't think you're alone - I know that a few people had the same impression about the hardware once plugins are installed. In my opinion, keeping the hardware as a 2nd unit is the diamond in the ruff in this whole switchover.

Have all of the plug's been updated to the new system or are the native ones the only 'new' ones?

[psionic]

Ok Duende V 3.5 vs Native SSL X-EQ This isnt the most scientific assesment, its just by my ear. I have a X-EQ on a NI Razor Synth. The synth is playing a NASTY lead. Im grabbing filter #5 with the mouse and maxing out the gain (+20db Q1.5) then sweeping from 100hz to 5600, with both (separately activated) my Duende and the SSL Native. They sound very similar, but not exactly the same. When the Duende 3.5 version sweeps, it retains a bit more of the higher order harmonics (sounds a bit more "together&quot than the Native version. The Native version sounds a bit more "scattered", but not far off. Can anyone else test this, or point me to another thread? -p edit: just went back for another listen and the Duende version sounds a bit richer. Oh well gotta wait for the UAD-2 Version I guess.

[lukasbrooklyn]

Originally Posted by psionic

Ok Duende V 3.5 vs Native SSL X-EQ This isnt the most scientific assesment, its just by my ear. I have a X-EQ on a NI Razor Synth. The synth is playing a NASTY lead. Im grabbing filter #5 with the mouse and maxing out the gain (+20db Q1.5) then sweeping from 100hz to 5600, with both (separately activated) my Duende and the SSL Native. They sound very similar, but not exactly the same. When the Duende 3.5 version sweeps, it retains a bit more of the higher order harmonics (sounds a bit more "together&quot than the Native version. The Native version sounds a bit more "scattered", but not far off. Can anyone else test this, or point me to another thread? -p edit: just went back for another listen and the Duende version sounds a bit richer. Oh well gotta wait for the UAD-2 Version I guess.

yes indeed, i would definitely put off any DAW work until one has the richer softplugin at hand. no point in mixing otherwise for sure.

:P