CLA on using cracks

[lllubi]

YouTube - Chris Lord-Alge On Using Cracks

sounds like Waves is in serious troubles

[TheDriller]

Whats the context of this?

who is he speaking to in the room with him?

anyway, cool vid, thanks for posting it.

[bkbirge]

Didn't see the 's' on the end of the title at first, lol.

[frenkonio]

Someone needs to explain to Mr. Alge that "those" plugins are really overpriced and don't do what they are paid for. Maybe he will understand.

[diogo_c]

Pretty "apocalyptic" I'd say.

[Audio Hombre]

"we'll do our best to keep the price point affordable." ya, ok CLA,that sounds like WAVES alright. gimme a break.

not saying i condone piracy by any stretch but sometimes you just have to call it like it is. and that, is almost a different form of piracy, similar to what's also called highway robbery. waves can eat it for all i care.

[EddieTheRed]

I agree with the sentiment.

But on Waves' channel? Hardly an impartial source.

[_Morph_]

He's absolutely right! I one earns money with it, the manufacturers should be paid accordingly for the tools they provide. Some plugins are ridicously pricey, especially Waves, but it's just not right to earn money out of someone else's work.

[Animus]

Waves biggest enemy is summed up in one word. WUP. You basically pay for AND then rent their plugs...forever Not even mentioning that other plugin developers are wuping their asses.

[Freematik]

Sounds like someone didn't like their royalty check this month!

[Gearhero]

As someone who has spent thousands of dollars on software that is now absolutely worthless I am firmly ambivalent.Though I will say that CLA isn't very charismatic in that PSA.

[Coyoteous]

Is that one on those Waves seminars, or maybe a $5000 a head CLA summer camp?

[api2500]

Someone is PISSED!

Watch the first videos he did for the CLA and Waves and then watch that.
thumbsup.

Originally Posted by frankreverbo

Someone needs to explain to Mr. Alge that "those" plugins are really overpriced and don't do what they are paid for. Maybe he will understand.

DISAGREE.

There are tons of free options out there.

Without turning this into a piracy thread, I think he's right.

[bwrecordings]

Chris lord alge is the last person I expected to be on YouTube talking about job security

[api2500]

Originally Posted by bwrecordings

Chris lord alge is the last person I expected to be on YouTube talking about job security

I expect he's speaking for all of us to a select few on a tour of his studio.

Thank you Chris, I hope you make all the young thieves feel guilty.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by frankreverbo

Someone needs to explain to Mr. Alge that "those" plugins are really overpriced and don't do what they are paid for. Maybe he will understand.

Then don't use them.

You can't steal just because it's overpriced.

[api2500]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Then don't use them.

You can't steal just because it's overpriced.

Can I steal your Lambo?

It's just I think my Ford is a bit sh*t and I would like yours.

[dasnub]

He isn't wrong, but he also isn't changing anything by speaking out. The people who are going to steal will steal, and the honest people will pay.

There's really no excuse for earning money from the plugs and stealing them. If your business can't afford Waves and the WUP program, and you see Waves plugins as necessary to producing good music, you can't afford to be in business.

Part of Waves' marketing scheme is their pricing. By inflating their price point, the also inflate the opinions of their products. In our society, expensive = good. Dropping the price would simply reduce the perceived quality of their product- not exactly a great strategy.

[robertshaw]

he looks like sly stallone. He's one overrated engineer..........

anyway he's right about stealing, it is wrong but people stealing plugins is going to have zero affect on the industry. Maybe the 'plugin' industry but not the music industry or recording industry. People who buy music buy music that is mainstream, which is all done in pro studios where they don't steal plugins. People who use cracks don't record anything anyone would buy in the first place, so its not going to have an effect on the music biz. though yes it is still wrong even though people who use cracks only record garage bands who will be lucky to sell 10,000 copies at $5 a pop. And the engineer gets $15 hr after he pays his overhead.

Though he is right about cracks being wrong and he is not very personable in that vid like someone stated

[PaPi61]

Originally Posted by dasnub

If your business can't afford Waves and the WUP program, and you see Waves plugins as necessary to producing good music, you can't afford to be in business.

True, but then again the vast majority of people who use cracked software aren't in any music-related "business." Or if they are, it's typically small fry. So for software manufacturers to count all people illegally using their stuff as "profit losses" is a really really big stretch...

Not trying to justify piracy, of course, just to tell it like it is.

I'm a professional musician and I don't use "warez." (And if it weren't for my 17-y.o. niece who keeps my up to speed with new online jargon, I wouldn't even know this word... )

[wakestyle]

I don't think the music industry is where it was even 10 years ago where bands needed to have major studios record to get good results and everyone in the business have massive over-inflated egos'. Every thing has changed. In fact I'd say that with bedroom studio's these days the plugin industry has probably never been so good not to mention that now a days plugin's are REAL alternatives to hardware and that it's the hardware industry that is getting hit the hardest (me thinks).

Besides the only people who mostly use cracks are broke a$$ kids and students who can only dream of one day being able to do what they love with legit copies. Any legit studio won't have cracks in it, and if they did I'd be really surprised.

Sad to say but it's true - pirating = marketing for free.

Actually the real downside (for software devs) are that the companies whose products actually suck won't make sales on marketing alone because the potential buyers may have already been able to 'try before buy' to see if they really want to shell out for that product. Of course the companies with proper demo's will be able to offer potential customers far better incentive to try and see if they want to buy.

[audiocheck12]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

Then don't use them.

You can't steal just because it's overpriced.

+1000

I seriously don't get why everyone bitches about waves being so expensive. Just don't buy them then lol! There's lots of stuff I want that I can't afford. I don't blame the company because I don't make enough money and I definitely don't walk into a guitar center and go stealing it either.

[Marando]

Funny, but if you buy Waves plugin at the right time (discounts), they are actually not that expensive at all. I whas able to buy the Waves CLA native pack for allmost the same price as the Softube CL1b native plugin.

That's 3 (well, 4 actually) compressor plugins for the price of 1 compressor plugin. And somehow, I never read anything about Softube being so damn expensive.

I whas also able to buy the Waves API native bundle way below the price you see on the Waves website. I think the prices on the Waves website are not helping Waves at all, because in the real world, you can find 'm a LOT cheaper.

WUP is a different story, but then again, you can choose not to pay. The plugins from Waves are working for me, I'm not in need for an update or anything.

If you have Waves Mercury, WUP is not a problem at all, since you get all new plugins for just $200 a year..

However, don't think I'm totally in love with Waves, and that I hate Softube or anything.. that's not true, I just don't get it why people keep saying that Waves is expensive, while there are plenty of other plugin developers that have the same price point or are even more expensive.

Using warez is weird actually, because there are so many great plugins that are free of very cheap! Cytomic The Glue, DMG Audio EQuality, Bootsie plugins, Stillwell plugins.. to name a few.

[Gracehoper]

Has CLA been hanging out with Lars Ulrich?

[redroom]

I'm all for what CLA is saying but I felt he should stick too his main job and not get into the politics stuff.

[EddieTheRed]

Originally Posted by redroom

he should stick too his main job

Selling plugins would appear to be his main job.

[east33]

Waves? Never heard of 'em...

[api2500]

Originally Posted by EddieTheRed

Selling plugins would appear to be his main job.

He did license it and let people carefully model his hardware to take a cut of it.

I'd be pissed.

[therecordinghous]

seen a sign the other day,

"It's not too expensive, you're too cheap!"


this is the most basic of humanities. DONT STEAL! just because YOU think its overpriced, doesnt give you the right to just take it.

plugins are not bread.....

[solo-bration]

The API 1608 is out of my price range, so I'm just going to break into API headquarters and steal one. Serves them right for making it too expensive for me!