CLA on using cracks

[JSt0rm]

anyone else think its funny cla is sitting in front of a mountain of hardware? hahahah.

[Suda Badri]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

But for the moment, even the slightest degree of filtering is a start.

Agreedthumbsup

[Carlos Santos]

software busyness is something hard to compare with other kind of busyness... how to make money with it, how to control the access to the products in the INTERNET, how to prohibit somebody from make it available for "free"... they are so powerful tools in todays world, part of everyone lifes...

The companies have a cost to create a software, but basically $ 0,0 to sale a copy of it, over and over...

it's the same thing with music. We buy a computer with software that legally can convert a Audio from a CD into Mp3. We have the INTERNET to share the file, your machine can burn it into other Cd's, you can buy the blank media..., but if you do it you are a pirate.

[Kenny Gioia]

Originally Posted by Jabo

I don't believe CLA when he says he's paid for all his shit.

You think Michael Jordan pays for Nike Air Jordans ? The Answer is NO.

When manufacturers give you comps, you did "earn" them. You just didn't pay for them with money. Many plugin and DAW companies have given me free software for something in exchange. What that is, varies. But there is an exchange.

[Stuart Coleco]

Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia

When manufacturers give you comps, you did "earn" them. You just didn't pay for them with money. Many plugin and DAW companies have given me free software for something in exchange. What that is, varies. But there is an exchange.

Sure, If someone wanted to give me something for free because I was famous I wouldn't say no either. I hardly call that "earning." This whole thing with plugs and endorsed presets and such is very perplexing to me. Maybe I'm jealous. Growing up with powdered milk and working hard just to have a low end setup. Then watching sucessfull people using there fame to get something for free when they can totally afford to purchase it. Then pimpin for what ? They didn't want to pay their Wup ? pfft

BTW, Kenny you're a bad ass love your work.

[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by Jabo

Sure, If someone wanted to give me something for free because I was famous I wouldn't say no either. I hardly call that "earning." This whole thing with plugs and endorsed presets and such is very perplexing to me. Maybe I'm jealous. Growing up with powdered milk and working hard just to have a low end setup. Then watching sucessfull people using there fame to get something for free when they can totally afford to purchase it. Then pimpin for what ? They didn't want to pay their Wup ? pfft

BTW, Kenny you're a bad ass love your work.

Economics, economics, economics, people. You think he got famous by sitting around and whining about how how other people are better off than him? No, he got famous by working his butt off and getting very good at what he does and doing it a lot. He can now 'spend' some of that value that he has created via that hard work. The work to create that value that he provided to the other company was already done. He already earned it. His style is not my preference, but he is obviously very good at what he does and he obviously wasn't born that good, he worked to get that good.

I'm tellin' ya, the communists are laughing their butts off. We fought them for decades, and in order to help fight them the military created the internet. And how the internet has effectively turned the world into a bunch of people who want to rip down anyone who has achieved more than they have. Get off your butt and do something great and you will have earned it as well and you can then spend some of the value you have created to get things.

[Tangible]

Linux is communist also.

[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by Tangible

Linux is communist also.

Not the same thing. It's perfectly fine for people to do things for free, if they want to. It's not fine to sit around and act like people who have achieved more than you have are all evil or corrupt because, in return for what they have accomplished, they have more than you.

[Tangible]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Not the same thing. It's perfectly fine for people to do things for free, if they want to. It's not fine to sit around and act like people who have achieved more than you have are all evil or corrupt because, in return for what they have accomplished, they have more than you.

just making fun of your red scare tactics. Equating the internet to communism is quite hilarious.

But beyond that, simply because someone doesn't support over policing the internet, disregarding any sense of privacy and filling up prisons with petty offenders, doesn't mean that they are pro-piracy....k? Thanx.

[Dean Roddey]

I wasn't equating the internet to communism, and yes it was supposed to a sarcastic comment, not a literal one. I was pointing out that there's a very large and seemingly ever growing populist sort of thing going on on the internet, where everyone who has accomplished something obviously got there by nefarious means. Mix that in with the massive rataionalization machine of the internet, which churns out reasons to steal music and movies and such and includes a huge 'they are all evil' component, and it's really getting kind of stupid. Those who have accomplished nothing spend so much time on the internet trying to drag down those that have, or just assuming that they really didn't accomplish anything and just stole or lied or cheated to get what they have, and therefore stealing from them is justified.

I've been on the internet since it went public and on BBSes before that. Though there were always people throwing arouns BS arguments as to why their theft of IP was not wrong, I don't remember this massive sense of self entitlement and anti-success vibe that I see so much of these days. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, or maybe it's just because the people on the internet earlier on tended towards more technical, professional and adult types and that's changed since then.

[shanabit]

Dean, I think your developing blood pressure issues due to the internet and your lack of control on society at large.

Time to care less bro

[Tangible]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

I wasn't equating the internet to communism, and yes it was supposed to a sarcastic comment, not a literal one. I was pointing out that there's a very large and seemingly ever growing populist sort of thing going on on the internet, where everyone who has accomplished something obviously got there by nefarious means. Mix that in with the massive rataionalization machine of the internet, which churns out reasons to steal music and movies and such and includes a huge 'they are all evil' component, and it's really getting kind of stupid. Those who have accomplished nothing spend so much time on the internet trying to drag down those that have, or just assuming that they really didn't accomplish anything and just stole or lied or cheated to get what they have, and therefore stealing from them is justified.

I've been on the internet since it went public and on BBSes before that. Though there were always people throwing arouns BS arguments as to why their theft of IP was not wrong, I don't remember this massive sense of self entitlement and anti-success vibe that I see so much of these days. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, or maybe it's just because the people on the internet earlier on tended towards more technical, professional and adult types and that's changed since then.

There was no equivalent to what we have now in the olden days, so of course we are experiencing a new phenomenon. Add on to the fact that it's a global recession, I don't think the have-nots are generally sympathetic to the elite in such troubling times.

[robertshaw]

People forget that its the medium that makes it so easy to steal. If it was easy to walk into Guitar center and slip a couple Les pauls under your shirt without getting caught, you can bet the same amount of people that pirate software would be stealing gtrs, gtr amps etc.... But the simple fact is it is not easy to steal tangible items, it is easy to steal stuff like software. It doesn't make it right obviously, but its more tempting since it is easier and that's why people do it.

[baslotto]

iLok recently took a bad beating.
Let's get real. Anything software will eventually be broken free no matter what the "gods" say.
That's the nature of the beast.
Weather I like it or not.
CLA sounds like he's ready to get penetrated up his rear-end in this video.

[Stuart Coleco]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Economics, economics, economics, people. You think he got famous by sitting around and whining about how how other people are better off than him? No, he got famous by working his butt off and getting very good at what he does and doing it a lot. He can now 'spend' some of that value that he has created via that hard work. The work to create that value that he provided to the other company was already done. He already earned it. His style is not my preference, but he is obviously very good at what he does and he obviously wasn't born that good, he worked to get that good.

I'm tellin' ya, the communists are laughing their butts off. We fought them for decades, and in order to help fight them the military created the internet. And how the internet has effectively turned the world into a bunch of people who want to rip down anyone who has achieved more than they have. Get off your butt and do something great and you will have earned it as well and you can then spend some of the value you have created to get things.

I am working hard to get there. Thank You.

Stealing happens in all business. I don't see Martha Stuart making a PSA about not reaching her expectations, because people are ripping off her ideas and stealing her spatulas from K-Mart.

I just think if someone is going to make a case for stealing it shouldn't be CLA (someone who gets plugs for free). It should be the owner of Waves or whoever makes the CLA plugins. A little too obvious to the serfs. Just sayin..

[Carlos Santos]

I'd not use the word steal on this situation about software use. Maybe, copy or probable download it.

[baslotto]

Originally Posted by Carlos Santos

I'd not use the word steal on this situation about software use. Maybe, copy or probable download it.

"Stealing" doesn't exist on the internet

[Carlos Santos]

it probable exist. If some one break into a bank account and get someone else money... or use other person identity to make something... I don't know. But download something that is there, available for anyone, I can't call it steal.
I'm not saying artists shouldn't make money with they rights over their creations, companys... But in todays reality, the talking go no where calling someone that download something, or share mp3s, or... a Pirate.

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by Tangible

just making fun of your red scare tactics. Equating the internet to communism is quite hilarious.

Edge; DIGITAL MAOISM: The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism By Jaron Lanier

Originally Posted by Tangible

But beyond that, simply because someone doesn't support over policing the internet, disregarding any sense of privacy and filling up prisons with petty offenders, doesn't mean that they are pro-piracy....k? Thanx.

wow. so "Equating the internet to communism is quite hilarious" but your overly dramatic rhetoric of "filling up prisons with petty offenders" should be taken seriously?

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by baslotto

"Stealing" doesn't exist on the internet

really ... looks like someone hasn't been reading the thread, here a recap:

Originally Posted by UnderTow

That is just stupid. You can't equating physical theft with copying stuff (software or music or whatever).
Alistair

what's stupid is confusing the container for the product.

this whole thing about mp3's being worthless digital bits, and arguments of scarcity are bonk too. those 20th century antiques were only ever artificially scarce like most consumer goods are only limited by the amount that can be sold, like 12 million allanis morrisette albums.

the mp3 is the container, not the product. the 5" plastic disc, was the container and not the product. people weren't buying cds because they wanted a bunch of 5" plastic discs cluttering up their homes - they bought them for the music, which is the product.

so how does this work for waves software? adobe? video games? ebooks? Should everything in a digital container be free due to the non-cost of the container?

I think it's a little intellectually dishonest to argue the music itself, the investment of human labor is worthless because the replication cost of the container has been reduced to near zero. the zero cost is in the container, not the product. people can have all the bits they want for free...

but if those bits contain music, software, books, videogames, etc - than those are protected by copyright and for good reason, and even more so in the digital world, as we have seen.

People get to vote w/ dollars. Buy or don't buy. If people don't buy your product, you need to rethink your pricing.

But they also don't have the right to steal it. The market only sets the price passively by choosing not to pay the price that is offered.

piracy exists simply do to a lack of enforcement and I've yet to hear anyone say otherwise.

people can argue that the laws should not be enforced, or the laws should be changed, but I've yet to meet someone who does not accept the basic fact that piracy is a result of failed law enforcement.



so is it victimless crime or punishment for bad business practices?

it can't be victimless punishment can it?

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by Carlos Santos

I'd not use the word steal on this situation about software use. Maybe, copy or probable download it.

how about "copyright infringement"...

Judge: Tenenbaum guilty of copyright infringement

Jury Finds Jammie Thomas Guilty of Infringement…Again

[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by Jabo

I don't see Martha Stuart making a PSA about not reaching her expectations, because people are ripping off her ideas and stealing her spatulas from K-Mart

Go try and steal a couple hundred of her spatulas from K-Mart. Obviously someone who makes most of their money selling physical goods isn't worried about intellectual property as much as people who depend on it totally for their living.

[Carlos Santos]

I'm a musician, and song writer. If someone is making money putting on sale mp3s of my songs , i believe I can complain... but if someone is sharing the mp3s with friends on the net, I can't call it a crime, not anymore. it's a Different reality today.
we'll never go back in Time (maybe I'm wrong), and I don't want to live in the Past. Just my thoughts, with all my respects for all of yours opinions.

[Tangible]

Originally Posted by EFF

Edge; DIGITAL MAOISM: The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism By Jaron Lanier

Only ignorant people equate everything to communism...especially those who have never read anything by Karl Marx.

wow. so "Equating the internet to communism is quite hilarious" but your overly dramatic rhetoric of "filling up prisons with petty offenders" should be taken seriously?

There have people in this thread who advocated sending people to prison for downloading stuff off the net....so I wasn't being dramatic at all.

[miro]

Is this thread still alive because super big boss CLA is involved?

Where's the forum rules in this case?

[Tangible]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Go try and steal a couple hundred of her spatulas from K-Mart. Obviously someone who makes most of their money selling physical goods isn't worried about intellectual property as much as people who depend on it totally for their living.

while I agree that copying intellectual property is wrong, the two scenarios are not equivalent. The equivalent would be putting Martha's spatula in a cloning machine, or designing a Spatula just like hers. In this scenario, Martha still has her spatula.

[Stuart Coleco]

I'm in a band. Fans steal my shit all the time. You know what ? I'm happy to have fans.

It's funny that the small potatoes don't complain about this type of stealing. It's sort of welcomed. Great marketing I say.

It's the "have's" that bitch the most. Why is that ?

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by Tangible

Only ignorant people equate everything to communism...especially those who have never read anything by Karl Marx.

so you think jaron lanier is ignorant and has never read karl marx?

do you even know who jaron lanier is?

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by Jabo

I'm in a band. Fans steal my shit all the time. You know what ? I'm happy to have fans.

It's funny that the small potatoes don't complain about this type of stealing. It's sort of welcomed. Great marketing I say.

It's the "have's" that bitch the most. Why is that ?

why is it all the non-professional hobbyists are ok giving their stuff away?

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[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by Tangible

while I agree that copying intellectual property is wrong, the two scenarios are not equivalent. The equivalent would be putting Martha's spatula in a cloning machine, or designing a Spatula just like hers. In this scenario, Martha still has her spatula.

Again, you don't comprehend economics. Money is not 'real' either. Not anymore. It's just numbers in computers or on paper. So why is it that the government will come down very hard on people who try to make their own? What does it matter, they are just more or less putting money in a cloning machine. Everyone else still has their money that they had before. These folks just now have a lot of their own.

What is that a bad thing? If you understand the answer to that, then you understand why the constant repeated mantra of they still have their music is a meaningless rationalization for theft.