New Soundtoys Plugin! - Juice

[K-Slash]

Originally Posted by Steab

So many people are confused about decapitator.
Decapitator is an analog sounding DISTORTION (+filters) plugin.
Juice will be a SATURATION and COLORATION plugin, emulating famous analog circuits.

It seems that you are also confused about it.

DECAPITATOR, despite it's name is not a distortion but a saturation plugin.

As SoundToys call it : "Analog Saturation Modeler".

It can distort too due to it's PUNISH feature, but at first it's a saturation plugin.

Decapitator is, let's say, strong, whereas Juice is aimed at subtle. That said, the Juice models will be different from the Decapitator's ones and "better" dixit SoundToys : "We learned so much developing the modeling technology that’s in Decapitator, and plan to take it even further with Juice".

Not to mention that Juice is aimed a being used on every track/channel, instead of Decapitator, which is not a "put it everywhere and forget" kind of plugin. Juice is after all, an "Analog Input Channel" plugin, so that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Steab

Curious to see how it'll hold up against vcc.

Well, there is no comparison. Two different beasts, not the same purpose.

Slate Digital VCC is aimed at emulating the whole analog console summing behaviour. It's not just an "analog channel input" plugin. That's why you have to use 2 plugins together, one on each channel and one on the master.

[Steab]

Originally Posted by K-Slash

It seems that you are also confused about it.

DECAPITATOR, despite it's name is not a distortion but a saturation plugin.

As SoundToys call it : "Analog Saturation Modeler".

It can distort too due to it's PUNISH feature, but at first it's a saturation plugin.

You're one of those confused guys I talked about. Or maybe you're giving words a different meaning.
For example, while urs saturation is saturating , decapitator is not the same thing, its build to be used more as an effect, distorting and gritting things up. I definetely wouldn't call it the usual (subtle indeed) saturation and transient softening some analog units provide.
According to soundtoys: "Our plug-in was built out of abused and tortured analog gear, and is meant to be used as a not-so-subtle effect."

Originally Posted by K-Slash

Decapitator is, let's say, strong, whereas Juice is aimed at subtle. That said, the Juice models will be different from the Decapitator's ones and "better" dixit SoundToys : "We learned so much developing the modeling technology that’s in Decapitator, and plan to take it even further with Juice".

Yep, that's what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by K-Slash

Not to mention that Juice is aimed a being used on every track/channel, instead of Decapitator, which is not a "put it everywhere and forget" kind of plugin. Juice is after all, an "Analog Input Channel" plugin, so that makes sense.

Yep, that's what I'm saying. Decapitator is one thing and juice is another. I wouldn't call em both "saturators".

Originally Posted by K-Slash

Well, there is no comparison. Two different beasts, not the same purpose.
Slate Digital VCC is aimed at emulating the whole analog console summing behaviour. It's not just an "analog channel input" plugin. That's why you have to use 2 plugins together, one on each channel and one on the master.

Well, there definetely is a comparison. Two beasts emulating analog mojo. Vcc is a complete console emulation while juice will be emulating the sound of analog units including the input mojo of famous consoles.
It's kinda "weird" that you don't see any connection, I guess to you it's like comparing a compressor with an eq.

All you did was trying to explain to me things I already know well, only put in a confused and untraditional way, while failing to see the connection of two products.

Cheers

[Silver Sonya]

Discussion too nerdy and semantic even for me and that's saying something.

- c

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Discussion too nerdy and semantic even for me and that's saying something.

- c

yes quite. at the end of the day - its pretty obvious Juice is a direct competitor to VCC - seeing as the end result will likely be very similar...

[Benmrx]

The big question is which will be released first....

[miro]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

The big question is which will be released first....

lol!!!!

[SWAN808]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

The big question is which will be released first....

and whats going on at UAD....

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

and whats going on at UAD....

Could you imagine how many UAD2 cards you'de need to put a 'console input channel' plugin on EVERY track of a modern production? Then.... if you wanted to actually use a Fatso or two.. 33609.... I just don't think it's a feasable scenario unless it's a Native solution. But... I've been wrong before..

[Absolute]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Discussion too nerdy and semantic even for me and that's saying something.

- c

haha..thats exactly what word I would use.. Semitics.

But then I thought its about whatt distortion or saturation even means.

Primarily a Saturation device? Saturation is mainly related to tape being overloaded--hence the name(oh crap..I said hence)

Saturation is a cause and distortion is the result. You cant have something Just saturated as its a type of distortion.

Decap clips on every mode that I checked and that my friends is the very definition of distortion. Obviously saturation will also leave out some frequencies..mostly highs(like a sponge that holds no more water---hence the name saturated) insert gunshot--as I said hence again

[blim]

Originally Posted by Absolute

haha..thats exactly what word I would use.. Semitics.

Uhmm... not exactly the word I would use.

[Ruudman]

Originally Posted by SWAN808

and whats going on at UAD....

.. and will Burt ever leave the ..
2010 feels like the very, very last yet everlasting episode of Soap

[Ruud Unit]

Originally Posted by blim

Uhmm... not exactly the word I would use.

uh, yeah... semitics.... uh

YouTube - You keep using that word.

[Kenton]

Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Not that I'm anti-semantic...

[copperx]

After these posts, "Juice" seems like an awfully inappropriate name for a plugin.

[traumerei1838]

Originally Posted by copperx

After these posts, "Juice" seems like an awfully inappropriate name for a plugin.

But you gotta name it after a classic movie. That only leaves Juice, Heat, The Professional or Mary Poppins.

[Nolet]

Originally Posted by traumerei1838

But you gotta name it after a classic movie. That only leaves Juice, Heat, The Professional or Mary Poppins.

Don't forget "Revenge of the Nerds"!

[B-sharp]

Two and a half months already....
Well at least Soundtoys didn't start this thread.
It looks like another loooooong pre-release party.

[javahut]

Juice is all well and good... but where's the update to fix the Native Bundle's many GUI problems. When will we get that update? It's been months now. That's what I'm interested in.

[Izzi]

^I hear Ya!^

[Gravity8058]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Discussion too nerdy and semantic even for me and that's saying something.

- c

You crack me up Chad!

[AMIEL]

I prefer the original design.

but if you do other design for sure with a fader

[MarsBot]

Originally Posted by Kenton

Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Not that I'm anti-semantic...

too funny. I busted a gut on this one.

[AcoosticZoo]

1st draft looks cool

Regards
Josef Horhay
Mixing Engineer
www.acoosticzoo.com

[tomlee]

looks interesting

subscribed.

will try not to check everytime nothing happens.

[Johnkenn]

Any status?

[yarrick19]

Originally Posted by Johnkenn

Any status?

+ 1

[javahut]

Again... where are the updates for Native Bundle that were supposed to be in beta testing weeks/months ago? The Native Bundle runs horribly on Win7 x64 and Sonar 8.5 x64. Soundtoys seems to have gone quiet on the subject. I thought they were better about supporting their products than this.

[Benmrx]

Any news on the "juice" plugin?

I'm really wondering what we'll see first. "juice" or "VCC (final, non-beta)" for public purchase. I'm doing alot of mixing coming up in December and I'd sure love to have one of these in my arsenal. Hopefully at the VERY least, SoundToys will offer up a standard 14 day iLok demo and not have any 'dropouts'.

[boon]

Originally Posted by javahut

Again... where are the updates for Native Bundle that were supposed to be in beta testing weeks/months ago? The Native Bundle runs horribly on Win7 x64 and Sonar 8.5 x64. Soundtoys seems to have gone quiet on the subject. I thought they were better about supporting their products than this.

yeah. i've been checking this thread from time to time hoping there is some news on the noise burst bug but so far it's silent. hopefully that means they are just working very hard to sort out the problems.

Soundtoys noise bursts when cycling

[Ruud Unit]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Any news on the "juice" plugin?

I'm really wondering what we'll see first. "juice" or "VCC (final, non-beta)" for public purchase. I'm doing alot of mixing coming up in December and I'd sure love to have one of these in my arsenal. Hopefully at the VERY least, SoundToys will offer up a standard 14 day iLok demo and not have any 'dropouts'.

I thought bumping threads without any news whatsoever was considered bad form now....?